what are the lowest stakes do we think this could be done
lets just say an average tag winning player

mass multi tableing is fine

obviously this isnt for a living just wondering / student and i need monies ?

are you good?

seems easily done multi-tabling low stakes sngs

Could be done at 10NL FR depending on how solid and not spewy the player is. Expect that a 3.5ptbb should be possible 24-tabling there to turn $10+/hour not counting VIP rewards that would push it up a little. This is for Stars obv.

It's really easy at 10NL 6max if you're any good and you can play 6-12 tables (depending how good you are).

If you are an "average tag winning player" then you should have a fair idea of what your win-rate is. If you fair even an approximate idea of your win-rate then you should be able to figure this out on your own. If you can't figure this out on your own then you should not be attempting it. The math for this is really really simple to the extent that I honestly don't understand why anyone would ask this here.

Can you play 20 tables at a time? If so then $10/hr would be $0.50 per table-hour. So at what stakes can you make $0.50 an hour on each table? Are you able to figure it out from there?

If you can play 25 tables an hour then this goes down to $0.40 per table-hour.

etc etc.

Get a piece of paper and a pencil and figure it out for crying out loud. If you can't do it then just give up. I know this advice comes across as mean but it's also correct.

10NL-25NL depending on how good you are, how many tables etc

I don't know, but I think their are dozens of $10/hr jobs that would be far greater than 20 tabling micros.

Mitch - Can you name any? I was working jobs around that wage a few years ago. Making $15-$20/hr or whatever on the internet with no stupid boss being a prick for no reason or if I was 2 minutes late or something....AND choosing my own hours was WAY better than any proper job I had ever done anywhere in that range.

I think you'll win far more playing 6-8 tables than 20 and actually improving your game.

FYP
when you think about EVERY decision and put your opponent on a range... playing even 8 tables will hinder your progress (I'm talking about 6m)

Yeah, I'm sure the freedom is better. I guess it's just a matter of perspective. Playing 10K hands a day for $10/hr doesn't seem better than busing tables or being a barback, but different strokes for different folks, I guess.

9 tabling $6.5s (9man) and getting around 10% ROI (maintainable) will get you just over $10 and add in rakeback and its more.

That number can be higher, but I tend to play til about 2-3 left before getting a new set going and not constantly loading.

any jobs where you talk to real life people instead of staring at the screen... alone at your house

iopq - I can talk to real live people during all the free-time I get by getting to set my own hours. And I don't have to deal with fellow workers or bosses who I can't stand.

It's not like people who have regular jobs detest their alone time. I would watch a ballgame on the tube while working a few hours and also kind of posting/socializing on here at the same time... and then go out with friends or with my GF.

Your general point that it can be lonely especially for more socially introverted types and that perhaps certain steps need to be taken to not fall into such traps as never going out are definite considerations for some.

If I were in college and were not doing THAT great socially then I would very much recommend getting a regular job partly for the social stimulation. If it's JUST money were talking about here and everything else in his life is okay then getting to set his own hours so that he doesn't get stuck with the Friday and Saturday night shifts at Starbucks when he COULD be going out with a girl or drinking buddies or whatever seems preferable to me.

It's all situation dependent.

+1

even tho i've never had a real job hah

Low stakes SNGs are better for this.

Rake is too high at the lower cash stakes and overall its just much easier playing SNGs if you just want to make $10 an hour.

you are saying this because you've already had the experience of working other jobs
poker was my first job, and it's a huge beat not to have experience in socializing with your coworkers

this is because socializing with friends is easy, they are people who you picked to be in your social circle
when you have to resolve conflicts with coworkers it's a skill you'll never learn hanging out with friends because you don't choose your coworkers and they may have a completely different set of values or world view

now that I've worked a little bit I got sick of arguing with coworkers too and quit, but I suggest that everyone try doing both to get a perspective on life and what you want to do for a living

davinci - if that's the case then you should work a real job. It's far more important that you get some kind of relevant job experience at your age.

A regular job for $10/hr so that you actually have done SOMETHING would be better for you right now than making even $20/hr on the internet.

This +2. Its for extra income for me - I don't plan on going over 4 hours per day.

This is a good idea also (I believe the more games you know, the better you will be at poker overall).

iopq - for the most part I agree with your last post (with some little disagreements in there I guess but no biggie). I make the mistake of assuming that others are similar to me and actually have SOME kind of job experience in their background or, at least, can comprehend why it's necessary.

Even low-wage stuff at Starbucks, Old Navy or WalMart at least shows that you worked SOMEWHERE with other people. I don't get how anyone can just go completely job-less and think that's okay and that they will eventually land a job somewhere just on their college degree (this is assuming that they aren't working a practical internship which, to me, is better thaan a regular job like that)

Assuming Full Tilt with 27% rakeback ...

FULL RING

16-tables of 10 NL Full Ring (1150 hands per hour) with a win rate of 3.5bb/100 would get you $8.05 per hour winnings + ~$2 per hour rakeback (total of $10.05 per hour). $200+ bankroll required. However 3.5bb/100 winrate may be a little high for some players. So ...

16-tables of 25 NL Full Ring (1150 hands per hour) with a win rate of 1bb/100 would get you $5.75 per hour winnings + ~$5 per hour rakeback (total of $10.75 per hour). $500+ bankroll required. 1bb/100 can be easily achieved, if not better.

HUSNG (Heads Up)

Playing 10 matches of $20 HUSNG-nonturbo (one at a time) and winning 60% of your matches would get you $30 + $2.70 rakeback in about 3 hours and 20 minutes (presuming each game lasts 20 minutes) this would be $10 per hour. 60% can be achieved, up to 65% and as low as 53% depending on your skill is a typical range for a winning player. $500 bankroll required.

Playing 10 matches of $20 HUSNG-turbo (one at a time) and winning 55% of your matches would get you $12 + $2.70 rakeback in about 1 hour 20 minutes (presuming each game lasts 8 minutes) this would be $11 per hour. $500 bankroll required.

Playing 25 matches per hour by 4-tabling HUSNG-turbo and winning 53% of the matches would get you $8 + $6.75 rakeback for $14.75 per hour. $500 bankroll required.

Its not as easy putting in 8 hours of poker EVERYDAY like it is with a day job. Though because you're a student you probly wouldnt be working full time anyway. Poker would be a great job for you being able to work at home and make excellent money while continuing your studies. And you can continue to work your way up to make much better money though if you do that there are some who have quit schooling to become a full time player knowing that poker earns them more money than a paying job would when you have your degree. Though I suggest you continue with your degree as its always good to have and if poker isnt right for you you can work at a job you love to do. As long as you have the skill, those figures above are easily achievable and require a small start up (bankroll). There will be stressful moments losing to a bad beat but I find multi tabling FRNL to be less stressful than HUSNG. Never go outside of your bankroll and dont worry about losing streaks or a daily loss cause they'll happen but a winning streak would be right around the corner. Either way its your long-term average that counts. I had a friend who wanted to get into poker, he played HUSNG and went 8 for 10 on his first day and felt everyday would be like that until he went 4 for 10 the next day and quit. Either way thats 60% which is good but dont let the 4 for 10 losing day upset you. It doesnt mean you're a losing player. 200 or more HUSNG matches would give you a good view of your winrate. The same goes for 50k-100k hands of FRNL.

Dont get involved with Super Turbos cause they dont require skill or reads on your opponents which make up for a good portion of your winrate. The same goes for turbo but if you play turbo, multitable these cause what you lose in quality you make up for in quantity.

I dont suggest playing MTT's (multi table tournaments) as they take a good 6 or more hours if you make it to the final table which is your bi-weekly payday. So you wouldnt see any immediate income with MTT's, they require you to be at the computer the entire time and they require a larger bankroll.

Some players may suggest 90 or 180 player tournaments. It depends on your skill level that decides what your ROI is going to be. I dont have much knowledge on these.

Rush Poker imo is fun but highly volatile you can quickly have a large buy in downswing and the play is much tighter (expect sets and overpairs). I personally do much better at FR.

Hope this helps and enjoy your new job. Continue to improve your skill and learn as you play. Consider watching the poker vdieos at Full Tilt Poker Academy. Good Luck ===

You have a ton of options. I think <=4 tables of NL at a higher stake where your paying
attention is > mass tabling micros.

SNG's is a fine choice.

Get yourself a cardrunners subscription, and expand into limit games, like razz or
2-7 triple draw where they play incredibly bad at lower stakes.

$10 should be attainable almost immediately for anyone halfway dedicated and
smarter than a 5th grader. By focusing on constant improvement in your game(s),
you should be making $20 in no time.

i dont really need a job (rich parents )
but yeah i would agree with you if your a regular person i think real job if your playing micros is the best choice
but also i think it also depends on your social life i think to many normal guys isolate them selves from thew world because of poker

davinci - I'm referring to needing a job in the future. You do plan on actually working in some sort of profession post-college, right?

Right now you are saying that you don't need a job because you have rich parents but you are a student looking to make $10/hr online because you need monies. You are making no sense at all at this point.

Also we have to factor in the state of the job market. Gone are the days where one would just walk into a restaurant and get hired on the spot; people are spending hours in line waiting to be interviewed for those jobs now.