Ha ha. How did I know that this new and improved room would bring about a new wave of glitches?

And cutting down to 65% = Not such a great idea.

FYP

Guys,
Its time to stop complaining about the changes that WPX is making and start doing something about it.
I'm one of the highest rake volume no limit players on the site (probably top 3) and I've already attracted the interest of another (probably top 2) high volume player in the 10 minutes since I thought of this boycott.
Yes, a boycott.
Its time to show WPX that the already small base of players is worried about the recently dwindling volume on WPX.
It's time to show WPX that they aren't even making sense from a business perspective. They are going to end up with a bigger piece of a shrinking pie.

I think its pretty ironic that this comes at a time when they're making their site skin look more like other poker sites, as if they are trying to join the ranks of the others. This comes with "new promotions" which add a tiny amount of extra cash to weekly and monthly tournaments. These are not going to help nearly as much as increased rakeback. I don't care if you start converting all the "rakeback" into frequent player points or whatever and allowing a cash out option, just give us the money, not the $ guaranteed. The regulars are semi winning players. Lowering the rakeback may convert some of them into losing players. If you're getting serious about getting a competitive poker site I have an idea for you.
STOP HURTING THE REGULARS

anyone interested in updates about the boycott, please email me at MSUPokerGod@gmail.com

Tentatively, here are my demands

- a 100% rakeback month along with $ spent on advertising
- 85% rakeback
- reduction of guaranteed tournaments acceptable

and ideas to show them we are organized initially

- everyone withdraw within a small time period
- everyone boycott for a weekend

WPX, I'm only hurting you because I love you.

P.S. don't ban me and take all my money

Regular player there. I'm moving out soon if things don't change. I already withdrawal a ton. Stop wasting your moneys on those free rolls and $ guarantee which will never help to site to grow. Don't you realized that those player will not help and contribute to your growth? The cash player does.

Also checkout how ****** is this:

$7500 weekly tournies only require $90 in rake
$10K??? monthly tournies require $250 in rake.

Make it 10k each week and require at least 200 in rake.
Or make it 20k a month and require at least 500 in rake.

Also, where is the rake percentage base on your volume of play like you said you would do? That would certianly encourage more cash games plays.

I love how we complain about the ****ty software and what do they do? KEEP THE SAME ****ING SOFTWARE! The software is still ****ty, I DON'T ****ING CARE THAT IT LOOKS DIFFERENT IF IT STILL SUCKS!

"Pay me to play poker." Thank you for insulting my ****ing intelligence. "Paying me to play poker" reduced my rakeback from 75% to 65%. Thanks for the pay cut. Oh and let's not forget no rakeback on MTTs. Didn't think we'd notice you did it to cover your losses in the money added/guaranteeds?

WSEXJeremy, don't ever post here again or renew this thread in Sept. if you don't intend to LISTEN TO THE REGULARS!

No one can dispute that 75% is better than 65%. But come on, 65% rackback is still better than anywhere else, unless you're a supernova on Stars. If the extra 10% retained rake is rolled into site promotions, even better.

I've been playing WSEX tonight and that "Current Pay" box on the table window is a great promo idea. Even at 65% you can watch it tick up as you play. And that's real money, not merchandise credit.

Actually, it is $75 in rake.

Actually, it is $300 in rake.

I pulled out of WSEX a little over a month ago when the initial scaled rakeback structure was released. I still follow the thread b/c I've always liked WSEX and plan to return if they ever figure out how to get traffic up. I was pleased to see the addition of the new tournaments and thought the overlay might be worth it. I also liked the announcement posted on their poker client regarding a deposit bonus, as my account currently sits at $0.00

A shame you dropped rakeback to 65% That completely turned me off (as did the original proposed rakeback structure). I'm currently earning 60% rakeback on another site, which pulls more traffic and has greater game selection. Your tournaments are a move in the right direction. 65% rakeback is a real misstep.

Sure, there are still some issues, but it is not that bad, and it's certainly a huge improvement from two years ago.

Uh... the whole rakeback tag never attracted the casual player. They are trying a different marketing approach. It is not an attempt to sustain the regulars; it is a tactic to attract casual players that don't know anything about how the rake affects their bottom line. The fact that you can't realize this, well...


This was addressed a long time ago. Jeremy stated that something had to give; they couldn't give a large rakeback % and huge overlays.

Sure, 75 is better than 65, LDO. No one wanted it to go from 100 to 75, but it is their business and it's a free market. I hope they reconsider and bring it back to 75. If not, Full Tilt gives 27%. Go there or get a job.

I tend to agree with this. The site needs to build traffic to survive. 75% of nothing is nothing.

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seriously though where

Wow. I'm not normally motivated to 'pile it on' when someone is already getting a fair amount of abuse, but in this case it is absolutely warranted. Putting more money into the ****ty donkament promotion, lowering rakeback, and yet still zero investment into any advertising. Thanks for listening to all of our advice.

I like the new look, and the way the software has been re-organized, but as with others, I dislike the lowered rakeback. WTF. The pain-in-the-ass payouts are already asking a lot of your customers to endure for the sake of ... I'm not sure what we get in exchange for the irritating and overly long cashout process.

And what happened to the folded cards cam???

I just noticed that most tourneys with a guarantee now have a 40-player minimum, which means only minimal overlay is possible.

Each time WPEX do something right, they do other stuff so utterly wrong...

And the one at midnight was cancelled......

Attention poker room, you're sinking and sinking FAST!!!

The midnight donkament used to be $3 with $75 added. There were 35-50 every night. The $5 at 00:20 never went off. IDK if it's because everyone was playing the $3 or because noone wanted to go that high but that one never got enough reged to start off. Now it's $10 $500 guaranteed with a 40 player minimum. Tonight it cancelled because only 33 reged. Sounds like a great start.

Oh and the 2am tourney was cancelled too!!!

To carry on with MSUPokerGod motif, it appears that there's at least one affiliate out there offering 70% to new players.

That affiliate also has a prop program in place offering 100% rakeback with certain conditions stipulated.

Both of these offers appear to be closed to those with existing accounts. This puts existing players in the same boat as those who have non-rakeback accounts at Full Tilt.

It seems that WSEX is willing to risk alienating the current base of loyalists in the hope that they can attract others like that existing player base and give these new players a more generous deal.

Retaining the existing base and re-attracting those who've played in the past is the best way to maintain and build traffic. Offering a better deal to newcomers while cutting the existing deal to those who've tried to keep the site afloat despite a relative lack of games is not a comforting development. Retaining your current player base is the cheapest and most effective way to build traffic.

We understand that the tourney overlay is generous, but many here are indifferent to the tournies except to the degree to which they serve as a magnet to attract new players and motivate players to play more cash games by hitting the required rakeback levels.

Though 65% rakeback on its face seems relatively generous in the US facing poker landscape, that the WSEX games are more highly raked than at major sites means the equivalent rakeback is much lower. I never thought I'd see this day, but we're now at a spot where games at a site like Stars can offer higher rakeback providing one is a high enough tier of VIP.

With the 100% rakeback offer out there it would behoove WSEX to first canvas and recruit their existing players for participation. To do otherwise creates a certain degree of insult. No one wants to feel like a sucker.

WSEX still has a reservoir of good will among their player base but the response to the changes have not yet been encouraging. The non-transparent way in which you went from 75% to 65% rakeback is below your standards. Burying the change on the homepage was not the right choice.

Please, WSEX, rethink the current program. Rethink giving those not invested with a history of play at the site a much better deal than those who've supported and promoted the site for the past two and a half years.

To recap:

i played there a bit until a year ago.

imo only way to save themselves is if the deposit bonuses are good and semi regular to get new players. if that's why they went down to 65% then it was a great decision.

let's face it, they need to get people to put money on their site, bottom line.

It seems that with the drop from 75% to 65% WSEX have removed some of the money earned in rakeback this week. I.e., yesterday I had $70-odd in rakeback for the week and now I check today and it is down to $60. Surely you shouldn't retroactively remove rakeback already earned?

Second complaint is that it appears the board cards are now a lot smaller. I liked the larger cards.

Otherwise it looks ok. But the drop from 75% to 65%, if that is what has happened, unannounced, is a really terrible way to treat your small but loyal player base.

I flipped over to Poker Trillion FWIW. They offer 30% rakeback with the caveat that they will match your rakeback account dollar for dollar if you buy into specified live tournaments (which include some WSOP events). As I already planned to use my rakeback account in this manner, I am effectively making 60% rakeback. I admit its not as liquid as true 60% rakeback, but for me its the same thing.

At 7 am the counter says 190 people playing yet you can only find 22 players and now the 8 am torny just cancelled for not having 40 people entered. The Mon, Wed, Fri and Sun "added" events are gone. Freerolls have dropped from 6 to 2 and one is in the middle of the day. The 10 pm had over 500 last night and probably ran much longer now. So they spent money on new software which was not needed and took the free stuff away and killed the early morning traffic, nice going.