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08-14-2008 , 09:41 AM
just downloaded it, the software looks LOL bad, there are 325 players online with about 30 people sitting in NL cash games (mind you early morning EST)
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08-14-2008 , 09:55 AM
all the sharks are at i-poker /stars/tilt . so this site is an open aquarium.
go for it!
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08-14-2008 , 11:56 AM
I know that I was banned from Pocket Fives for mentioning it. I asked the same question there, and my thread was deleted and I was told that I couldn't mention the site because they had been given the opportunity to advertise on pocket fives and had chosen not to. A few weeks later, somebody posted a similar thread, and I typed "This thread deleted in 3, 2, 1 ...." the OP then asked "why?" and I told him what the mod had told me. I've been banned ever since. Sorry for the rant.

Cliff's Notes: WPX=Good, PocketFives can SMD
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08-14-2008 , 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by rugmuncher
all the sharks are at i-poker /stars/tilt . so this site is an open aquarium.
go for it!

Then this has changed? I use to play there in 100% rb days and they were a very nitty site in mine and many other peoples opinion.
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08-15-2008 , 05:36 AM
I know the rakeback is the dealt method, maybe that adds to the nittyness?
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08-15-2008 , 06:06 AM
When I played there (over 18 months ago) the player pool was so nitty and small and the software sucked. I really wanted them to do well but it sounds as though not much has improved. I may give it another go at some stage to see.
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08-15-2008 , 03:28 PM
Awesome, I pay the extra $50 for the courier fee which says 4-7 business days for withdrawal to arrive, been 2 weeks now and nothing is here. Support just tells me it is being processed and will arrive soon. I heard that on Monday. I have emailed support and asked again but nobody replies. Does WSEX really give a crap about its customers, the support over the last few months has been horrible. Half the emails are ignored, live chat never there, etc...
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08-15-2008 , 06:30 PM
Ugh, stop it with the tournaments. I'm a FL cash game player, I hate donkaments, and there are a lot of others like me. You aren't going to build significant traffic with donkament incentives cause guys like me just dont care.

Why not do a rake race or something to motivate people to put in more hands. Instead of basing it on MGR, base it on # of raked hands, that way the micro and NL players have a shot too, rather than just the 10/20 FL regs.
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08-15-2008 , 07:51 PM
Email support about that. Oh wait, they won't reply anyway, I think they quit answering questions from customers like me who keep playing and keeping them in business. I emailed them today about my cashout with no reply, 2nd time in a week. Support really has been slacking bad lately, have people been let go or something?

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Originally Posted by TheScientist
Ugh, stop it with the tournaments. I'm a FL cash game player, I hate donkaments, and there are a lot of others like me. You aren't going to build significant traffic with donkament incentives cause guys like me just dont care.

Why not do a rake race or something to motivate people to put in more hands. Instead of basing it on MGR, base it on # of raked hands, that way the micro and NL players have a shot too, rather than just the 10/20 FL regs.
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08-16-2008 , 01:11 AM
congrats on succesfully kiling your cash game traffic, wpex!

Youve done it the experiment is over. Its time to pull the plug.


PS: you guys suck!
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08-16-2008 , 12:58 PM
Does anyone know if AllenCunningham is really Allen Cunningham, I can not find any connection between him and WPX?
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08-16-2008 , 02:50 PM
What exactly is the dealt method when it comes to rake? They rake the preflop action or something terrible like that?

I was also considering depositing money on WSX because of the high rakeback, wanted to get your guys opinions on it first.
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08-16-2008 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Juuza
What exactly is the dealt method when it comes to rake?
Total rake / number of dealt players.
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08-16-2008 , 03:48 PM
Played there few years ago. Same experience as everyone else. The only way I would play is if I was planning on doing some sports betting, otherwise I think you can find more bang for your buck elsewhere. If you decide to do it, let us know how it turns out.
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08-16-2008 , 03:59 PM
The fact that it is tied to a sportsbook is a pretty big risk nowadays in terms of the safety of your money and the ease of depositing/withdrawing IMO. This is the only reason I have never even considered checking out the site.
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08-16-2008 , 04:55 PM
Any site tied to sports betting is soft ... usually means a Monday night wager gone good will find its way to a Wednesday night poker session.

I have no played there in a while but when I did it was good payout to a solid player
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08-16-2008 , 05:08 PM
Your money is safe there. The site has very little traffic but the pot limit omaha hi/low game they have is very soft.
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08-16-2008 , 05:58 PM
Below is a review I wrote five months ago at pokerscout.com. Some of the info/promos is now dated but you'll get a sense of the pros and cons.

To cliff note the questions you've asked: money is there is very safe. The only real downside about the site is that the games are small, but the rakeback adds up very, very fast. What many players seem to do is keep the WPx client open and play games there in addition to a main site.

I've been playing there for two and a half years and still consider it my preferred site. I've had dozens of payouts, which can be slow but are reliable.

The site doesn't get that much exposure because affiliates hate them and WPx doesn't widely market.
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World Poker Exchange is the poker side of sportsbook giant World Sports Exchange. Based in Antigua, WPX opened their site to the public in April 2006 and offered rake free poker. That the games were free was due to the generous subsidy of the sportsbook. A year and a half later WPX was forced to go to a 75% rakeback model but they still kept their bonus program and began offering significant cash overlay to three weekly tournaments. WPX has developed and runs their own poker software.

The site offers limit and no limit hold 'em (full ring and 6 max), Omaha, Omaha 8/B, Stud and Stud/8. Limits range from micro stakes up to 100/200. There are also a handful of low limit HU tables for both limit and no limit hold 'em. In addition there are round the clock MTTs and various sit ‘n goes.

World Poker Exchange is open to US based players.

WPX offers two types of table from which a player can choose, one where hand histories are provided and importable to programs like Poker Tracker and tables where hand histories are not provided. For those players who wish not to use or have software used against them they are free to choose the non-hand history tables.

The good: WPX's baseline rakeback is 75%, paid each Monday into a customer's account. The software is fast and stable. WPX offers an "Aces Never Lose" promo where Wed. thru Sat. from 1pm to 1am (Eastern) having pocket aces beaten in a hold 'em or stud game will earn a player $25 to $75 depending on the limit played. In addition, WPX offers three weekly rake free $10 tournaments where WPX adds USD $5,000 to the prize pool. Players must qualify for this tournament by netting $75 in rakeback the previous week. These tournaments run Tuesday, Thursday and Friday at 8:30pm Eastern. WPX also runs a number of daily smaller, real money free rolls for those with a tiny bankroll or who wish to build a bankroll from their own winnings.

Customer support is quite good. WPX support can be reached through email, IM or phone or email. The 75% rakeback makes WPX truly the best poker rewards system available. WPX’s base rakeback is about 50% more generous than the rakeback provided a Supernova Elite player at Poker Stars. World Poker exchange is very safe, with parent company World Sports Exchange holding an A+ rating from reputable industry watchdogs. The site itself is licensed and regulated by the government of Antigua.

The software features either a full table view or a mini-view (for hold ‘em only) which saves considerable screen real estate. Recreational, low limit players can easily make $10,000 in rakeback over the course of a year and high volume players are known to make over $50,000 in annual rakeback. When WPX was at its busiest there were players who would clear more than $7,000 a week in rakeback.

The bad: Traffic at the site is very light and it is not always possible to find games of the limit or style which one wants to play. Play is heaviest during times more convenient for those in the Western Hemisphere. European players will have more difficulty finding games during times convenient to them. As the site is a sports book, payment to U.S. residents can be somewhat slow (as much as seven weeks via airmail) if done by check. This also means that not all electronic payment and withdrawal options are available to U.S. players. While the software is fast, reliable and stable it is not without the occasional bug, although it is very much improved from the point of their public debut in April 2006. The games themselves can be tougher than comparable games at major sites as WPX tends to draw a savvy player base. MTT or SnG players will only find lower stake events and smallish fields. Even the biggest fields (other than freerolls) are not bigger than 150 players.

The ugly: None. The only real downside is the lack of traffic.

WPX is a hidden gem of the online poker world. Its 75% rakeback, generous promotions and lavish rakeback make it an outstanding destination for both the recreational and the high volume player.

World Poker Exchange is great for the player who:

…wants a safe and reliable site.

…is a recreational, low volume player who will never get the benefits of volume play at the larger sites.

… specializes in 6max limit and no limit hold em. The games which most typically fill are the low to mid-limit 6max hold ‘em games. The mid-limit no limit 6 max games are also frequently offered.

…understands the importance of rakeback.

…likes the feel of a smaller site and is flexible about game selection.

…wants the challenge of beating tougher than average games.

...is looking for a good site to augment the play of their main site.

…enjoys making the occasional sports bet.

Once a player starts to play at WPX and sees the enormous amount he or she would be paying in rake at other sites, that player is likely to stay at WPX. During the week of March 17 through March 23 World Poker Exchange is rolling back the clock and offering all players 100% rakeback in addition to the regular promotions. In other words, they’ll be paying you to play there. It’s a perfect time to try World Poker Exchange.

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08-16-2008 , 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Rek
When I played there (over 18 months ago) the player pool was so nitty and small and the software sucked. I really wanted them to do well but it sounds as though not much has improved. I may give it another go at some stage to see.
Yes, I remember those days, too, and this has very definitely changed. Extremely fishy, compared with Tilt and Stars. For example, people call raises in position with complete garbage, make middle pair, so-so kicker, and reraise your continuation bet. Yes, they could use more players, but there's generally a game going when you want to play at all limits. Software is perfect for those who single table (me, basically). Rakeback for all is sweet. I have one big complaint, which everyone knows, which is the glacial pace of getting withdrawals processed.
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08-16-2008 , 08:18 PM
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Originally Posted by sparky3474
Does anyone know if AllenCunningham is really Allen Cunningham, I can not find any connection between him and WPX?
There's about a 0% chance.
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08-16-2008 , 09:04 PM
Random thoughts and a couple of solutions to problems:

Resizeable tables
The mini-view is very helpful but it isn't offered for some of the games. I assume resizeable tables would be a significant development task, but perhaps WPX could offer two sizes between default and mini. If it is easily doable, offer a pre-set medium and small to help those who need all the screen real estate they can get. This would help those who would like to keep a WPX table open among tables from other sites.

cash game promo/anchor
Consider a "Happy Hour" type promo for two hours each evening. Offer players 100% rakeback or something which is a major draw. Getting players to WPX in aggregate might keep them engaged once they are reminded of the heavy value of the rakeback. This sort of promo would also be equally attractive to players in all games, whether cash, sit 'n go, tourney, hold 'em stud, etc. Everyone would get a flat benefit.

Another twist would be something like 90% rakeback with the other 10% going to a reputable Antiguan charity. This could even be done with a revisited "AA Never Lose" promo, where half of the award goes to the player and half goes to an Antiguan non-profit. This sort of thing could garner very good word of mouth and would be a motivational story to remind players to patronize the site and helps further set WPX apart as the sort of place which is very different from Absolute/UB, Microgaming, etc. It gives people (or poker media outlets) something to talk about and at worst a worthy charity gets a generous bump. A new coat of paint or new bicycles at an Antiguan orphanage may well go a lot further than many advertising dollars.

New Games
If it isn't a developmental hardship, HORSE would be great. All the HORSE elements are in place game wise and you have a HORSE type player base. Being that HORSE isn't widely populated at other sites an opportunity presents itself to draw a portion of the market in what is described as a growing game.

Deep Stack NL offerings
The NL 6 max cash games seem to have a relatively healthy play base. About two thirds of these players seem to prefer a deep stack style of game but are hamstrung by the shortstackers. Consider offering some 100BB min. tables for those who would like to rid themselves of the short stacks.

Guarantee tournaments
I know this has been beaten to death, and I'm sure changes are being planned, but a play-in or fpp requirement really need to be added. Of course, now that WPX has shown itself able to draw 300-400 low limit tournament players at a given time, it would make perfect sense to have a 20:30 $10 tournament with a large guarantee. You could offer a $2500 guarantee for such a daily tournament rather than making it a value add. This has seemed to be very popular at Stars and it would earn WPX revenue rather than being a cost.

Taking that $9K from the tourney add-ons each week and redirecting should be a major priority.

Looks like traffic has stabilized a bit. Hopefully that can be turned to growth soon.
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08-17-2008 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Proteus
Total rake / number of dealt players.

Really?? So if you fold pre flop and the pot gets huge, you get same rakeback as the players who were in the hand til the end??
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08-17-2008 , 03:05 PM
mini view has bugs. switch back and forth between mini and regular view, some button wont work. example- autopost uncheck.
things that sucks about this site, bots infested in mid to high stakes.please check on slapface, that guy was a bot 100% when i played him. i did the skip blind trick on him for a lot of hands and he didnt respond at all.
-lack of traffic. start rewarding players who starts table.
bring back aces never lose. one of the best promo they had. this actually help with cash game traffic.
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08-17-2008 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SHANAX
Really?? So if you fold pre flop and the pot gets huge, you get same rakeback as the players who were in the hand til the end??
Yes.
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08-17-2008 , 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by DitMeMay
mini view has bugs. switch back and forth between mini and regular view, some button wont work. example- autopost uncheck.
things that sucks about this site, bots infested in mid to high stakes.please check on slapface, that guy was a bot 100% when i played him. i did the skip blind trick on him for a lot of hands and he didnt respond at all.
-lack of traffic. start rewarding players who starts table.
bring back aces never lose. one of the best promo they had. this actually help with cash game traffic.
Um, what? That's still an existing promotion.
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