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[WPT Global] Rampant Collusion & Bots? [WPT Global] Rampant Collusion & Bots?

08-17-2022 , 08:12 PM
Installed WPT Global a couple of weeks ago (I'm in Canada). The amount of collusion is mind boggling and obvious, across multiple players on the table, not just 2. This is for the $110 or $220 dailies which attract somewhere between like 10 and 50 players. I'm positive it's happening at lower and higher buy-ins, if the latter exists.
Btw:
- I made a decent chunk of money playing other formats on the site (and promptly cashed everything out), and
- I've played on stars for a decade and gg since pretty much their inception.
I have 0 complaints about those sites from a collusion/bot standpoint. So basically, I have no reason to complain about this unless it's absolutely valid and clear, which it is.

Also and more importantly... after sending an email to WPT Global, the did an investigation and AGREED it was indeed collusion, and just refunded me back some random amounts which was way less than my total buyins and only refunding in tournament dollars.... which of course is pretty useless since most of the tournaments with the exception of maybe the multi day big events, continue to be rigged with collusion and bots.

TL DR : Stay the eff away from WPT Global. Absolute scam and their security team is a joke. I doubt they have any real software measures in place for anti collusion, and it took me only a few hands to identify it.

Some examples with screenshots below.

This is a PLO tournament below. Basically it would go a few ways, in this example, blinds are 750/1500. All or most of them are in on it. UTG bot would limp 1500, I would complete, BB bot would min-raise (again, this is PLO), UTG bot would then re-min raise. Then 2 things would happen, and this happened hand after hand.
I'd either fold, in which case I'm out of the pot of course. Then the rest of the hand would go check check check.
Or, if I call there for 4500, BB UTG would then re min raise again, as would UTG.
This happened multiple times, with the other players too. Note that this is the bubble as well, and there would be complete soft play everywhere if I'm not in the pot.
I have about 20 screenshots of this stuff happening with the other players on this table, and from another tournament with a complete set of different players.
Anyway, that is my PSA for today.


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08-18-2022 , 04:38 AM
what happens when you pot it
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08-26-2022 , 05:59 AM
I don't know why they released in Beta when everything looked so bad. There wasn't even a chat function on launch? And they seem to be taking players from everywhere.
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09-03-2022 , 06:03 PM
Hello,

I am a long-time player on most of the sites. I recently deposited on WPTGlobal ( two weeks ago ) and immediately noticed the same things you are reporting. It was so blatant and obvious that I actually started taking screenshots, notes, and documenting player names. I was planning to make a post to let the community know to be cautious but got sidetracked by some important life things.

I have been playing NL Cash and MTT's on the site. I mean...I made a FT and the same 4 players all with Chinese names were full-on colluding, sharing hole cards, and chip dumping to each other when one would get short. I am talking one raises 90% of his friend's stack, the guy shoves and the original raiser folds getting 20 to 1 yet they are playing perfect strategy versus everyone else ( ESPECIALLY ME LOL ).

What I know for sure

WPT Global has:

- A large contingent of Chinese players who are sharing hole cards and colluding with each other in real-time.
- Players that are bots with the exact same timing, perfect RTA play. ( even at $300 buy in NL Cash ).
- No access to hole card information to export for review/safety.

I want to think the operator is legit ( WPT ) but I have some concerns about possible super user(s) as well. I think this could be unlikely but I have seen some very strange results from the same player, who never has called at showdown with a worse hand in a very large sample and perfectly floats everyone. Pretty wild to float as much as this person and always get the fold they never are wrong?

Now here is where this is going to get weird

After my initial cash out I have since re-deposited on WPT Global. The games are full of collusion and cheating but are insane soft. I mean even the cheaters have terrible tilt problems and there are some massive whales donating like crazy. I hope they can cleanup/ban some of the problematic players as it feels like I am playing in Macau on this site lol.
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09-04-2022 , 07:22 AM
Yeah I can't believe WPT put their name to something like this. Visa deposits not even accepted. Fantastic support so not sure why they not cleaning up the games.

JRB was promoting the site on Hustler live stream on youtube.

Perhaps reach out to him and Ivey on twitter at some point - try and get these games cleaned up lol?
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09-04-2022 , 07:24 AM
What confuses me is they launched the sites with a few 100k in promotions but beta software that is pretty weak and buggy. So don't really know why they launched a product that clearly was not ready.
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09-09-2022 , 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Villain514
Installed WPT Global a couple of weeks ago (I'm in Canada). The amount of collusion is mind boggling and obvious, across multiple players on the table, not just 2. This is for the $110 or $220 dailies which attract somewhere between like 10 and 50 players. I'm positive it's happening at lower and higher buy-ins, if the latter exists.
Btw:
- I made a decent chunk of money playing other formats on the site (and promptly cashed everything out), and
- I've played on stars for a decade and gg since pretty much their inception.
I have 0 complaints about those sites from a collusion/bot standpoint. So basically, I have no reason to complain about this unless it's absolutely valid and clear, which it is.

Also and more importantly... after sending an email to WPT Global, the did an investigation and AGREED it was indeed collusion, and just refunded me back some random amounts which was way less than my total buyins and only refunding in tournament dollars.... which of course is pretty useless since most of the tournaments with the exception of maybe the multi day big events, continue to be rigged with collusion and bots.

TL DR : Stay the eff away from WPT Global. Absolute scam and their security team is a joke. I doubt they have any real software measures in place for anti collusion, and it took me only a few hands to identify it.

I apologize that this happened at your table & appreciate the feedback. Given your response, it is likely the offenders were caught and banned but did not finish ITM. Please send me a DM with your screen name so I can review the refund decision with the team and follow up with a detailed explanation.

MTT is a relatively new offering on our shared network that we hope to expand as WPTG grows. We are aware of the exploits that take place in small field events and we are taking steps to police it before expanding the schedule. I've personally observed similar issues on other platforms where "stables" register together at the same time (especially towards the end of late registration). If you observe anything suspicious at a cash game or MTT table, please do not hesitate to contact security@WPTGlobal.com where every report is reviewed by the game integrity team.

We have automated detection algorithms that utilize machine learning to flag suspicious gameplay related to RTA/BOTs, collusion, and multi-accounting in both cash games and tournaments. That being said, the security team is extremely conservative when deciding to lock a player after the tournament has started. We need the time to build a case that has concrete examples from gameplay to avoid false positives.

WPTG is a new platform, but the security & fraud team that is responsible for the network has been in place for 4 years and has grown to include over 40 industry experts and former poker pros. Any time we offer a new game type or bonus, some level of fraud is expected as bad actors test our methodology. We take these issues seriously and address changes with high priority, so we do not expect the problem to continue. Given our leadership team's poker heavy background, we continue to work closely with the poker community on projects related to security, product, and marketing. Please feel free to contribute any ideas/feedback to customercare@wptglobal.com
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10-18-2022 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by WPTGlobal Jack
I apologize that this happened at your table & appreciate the feedback. Given your response, it is likely the offenders were caught and banned but did not finish ITM. Please send me a DM with your screen name so I can review the refund decision with the team and follow up with a detailed explanation.

MTT is a relatively new offering on our shared network that we hope to expand as WPTG grows. We are aware of the exploits that take place in small field events and we are taking steps to police it before expanding the schedule. I've personally observed similar issues on other platforms where "stables" register together at the same time (especially towards the end of late registration). If you observe anything suspicious at a cash game or MTT table, please do not hesitate to contact security@WPTGlobal.com where every report is reviewed by the game integrity team.

We have automated detection algorithms that utilize machine learning to flag suspicious gameplay related to RTA/BOTs, collusion, and multi-accounting in both cash games and tournaments. That being said, the security team is extremely conservative when deciding to lock a player after the tournament has started. We need the time to build a case that has concrete examples from gameplay to avoid false positives.

WPTG is a new platform, but the security & fraud team that is responsible for the network has been in place for 4 years and has grown to include over 40 industry experts and former poker pros. Any time we offer a new game type or bonus, some level of fraud is expected as bad actors test our methodology. We take these issues seriously and address changes with high priority, so we do not expect the problem to continue. Given our leadership team's poker heavy background, we continue to work closely with the poker community on projects related to security, product, and marketing. Please feel free to contribute any ideas/feedback to customercare@wptglobal.com
Appreciate the post. I would say though when these cheating stables lock onto a site it's because they think their money is at zero risk of being seized from them. And OP has outlined multiple cheating strategies which is really alarming. The algoritms should be flagging the more obvious colluding immediately, not days later!
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10-21-2022 , 07:15 AM
can anyone give me feedback on cash traffic, nl 200 and on the room in general? ty
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05-03-2023 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by WPTGlobal Jack
I apologize that this happened at your table & appreciate the feedback. Given your response, it is likely the offenders were caught and banned but did not finish ITM. Please send me a DM with your screen name so I can review the refund decision with the team and follow up with a detailed explanation.

MTT is a relatively new offering on our shared network that we hope to expand as WPTG grows. We are aware of the exploits that take place in small field events and we are taking steps to police it before expanding the schedule. I've personally observed similar issues on other platforms where "stables" register together at the same time (especially towards the end of late registration). If you observe anything suspicious at a cash game or MTT table, please do not hesitate to contact security@WPTGlobal.com where every report is reviewed by the game integrity team.

We have automated detection algorithms that utilize machine learning to flag suspicious gameplay related to RTA/BOTs, collusion, and multi-accounting in both cash games and tournaments. That being said, the security team is extremely conservative when deciding to lock a player after the tournament has started. We need the time to build a case that has concrete examples from gameplay to avoid false positives.

WPTG is a new platform, but the security & fraud team that is responsible for the network has been in place for 4 years and has grown to include over 40 industry experts and former poker pros. Any time we offer a new game type or bonus, some level of fraud is expected as bad actors test our methodology. We take these issues seriously and address changes with high priority, so we do not expect the problem to continue. Given our leadership team's poker heavy background, we continue to work closely with the poker community on projects related to security, product, and marketing. Please feel free to contribute any ideas/feedback to customercare@wptglobal.com
Lets be real Jack. Your tables indeed feel full of collusion but your ethics seem non existent. You have ambassadors playing within a restricted country. It is said that you justify this by paying them a promotional fee and they don’t keep the winnings but the reality remains that they are playing on real money tables against other gamblers from legit countries. Your restricted players can gamble, influence real money transactions on tables and produce a real profit for you through rake. Does the UIEGA really condone this? Under the guise of paid promotional player? Regardless of how they are paid or if they keep winnings or not they are playing on real money tables against honest players playing by the rules and LAWS.
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05-09-2023 , 02:29 AM
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Originally Posted by iF5
Lets be real Jack. Your tables indeed feel full of collusion but your ethics seem non existent. You have ambassadors playing within a restricted country. It is said that you justify this by paying them a promotional fee and they don’t keep the winnings but the reality remains that they are playing on real money tables against other gamblers from legit countries. Your restricted players can gamble, influence real money transactions on tables and produce a real profit for you through rake. Does the UIEGA really condone this? Under the guise of paid promotional player? Regardless of how they are paid or if they keep winnings or not they are playing on real money tables against honest players playing by the rules and LAWS.
If you want to be real about it stop being lazy and stream them colluding and explain in the video how they are colluding so they actually see it happening. Crying on a forum about it is not going to help their security team find the cheaters. Catching cheaters takes effort from both ends sometimes. They can't catch every single player cheating 24hrs a day.
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05-18-2023 , 12:45 AM
The site is allowing influencers to play real money cash tables from within the United States when their TOS explicitly states the united states is a restricted area

That’s all anyone needs to know about WPT Globals integrity
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