+1

I appreciate all the work you guys are doing. It seems hard to believe that they could be unaware that this is going on. Might be an idea to keep spamming Phil Naggy/ACR on twitter or any other platforms. It may make them more likely to take action and not sweep problems under the rug.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet - limit 1 to 2 players from Eastern Bloc countries per table if your security can't figure out who these guys are.

That would be a good compromise to not need to issue blanket bans to entire countries, still I'd rather just see a blanket ban on these countries.

I do think they are colluding and like 80% from this area of the world seem to be bots or at least have very similar solid (TAG/LAG) stats and very tough to exploit frequencies ... although they seem to maybe be using different "programs/versions of the bot" to maybe to be a little less obvious.

One specific thing I think they're doing is cold 4 betting at higher than optimal frequencies - which would be wildly profitable if you had access to multiple sets of hole cards. If your value range the BTN is QQ+ AK and you 3b v MP, MP has A5s and BB has A6s, your value combos are reduced from 34 to 21 ... and you have a lot more bluff combos. Or if MP has QQ and you have AK and BB has A5s ... your equity is reduced by 5% or 3% on your entire range of QQ+ AK...

Legit Eastern Bloc players have plenty of other ROW sites to play on besides WPN / Bovada that also supposedly have better security ... I'd rather play on those sites if I was a human player from any country.

Forgot to mention for each A or K blocker they know of AK is reduced by 5% against QQ ... on the first one your range (QQ+ AK) equity is reduced by 3% and the effect diminishes after that.

This is just one example of how they could collude ... I'm sure there are many more and of course obvious ones like one player having folded 33 pre on A542K so the other player knows they can call down lighter or bluff more.

As I promised, I posted the results of monitoring of bots on the WPN network for the past week.
36 of 46 previously found accounts continued to play. Others either were replaced by bot owners or on vacation. I have no information about the ban of at least one of the bots.



Also two new bot accounts were found.
Soletaire
Snarker

I made a new Google table where I added them and four accounts I found last week and haven’t listed previously.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

I saw drtypriest yesterday.

Thank you for the information.
Yes, he's playing again after the break.
I get datamining with a slight delay and can't see any changes in the last one or two days. I'll put him in the table next week.

The 100 and 200plo tables have become unplayable now with always 2 bots at each table almost all day....

Same with 25NL NLHE ... it's not uncommon to see 3 or even 4 of them on a table, I've even seen 5 at times. Assuming at least some of the higher NLHE stakes as well. That plus the rake being a high bb/100 at these limits, not sure if it's beatable anymore. I was able to beat 2NL, 5NL, 10NL but 25NL seems to be much more bot infested than these limits. A few years back I was beating 50NL and roughly breaking even at 100NL.

LEBOVISKY, MALUTAS, and rmnpwr were all in the 200 blitz pool two nights ago fyi

Maluta and rmnpwr are active 200nl blitz players


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There's def a bunch not on that list playing Blitz at all levels imo. What are the exact stats for cash games I should be filtering to see?

The ones I've been talking to a reg about all have a weird discrepancy where they play like 26/18, super low fold to cbet/turn cbet

edit: all from Russia iirc

Thanks for the info. I’m pretty sure, that bot owners would transfer accounts to other games due to maximize their profit.
I'll put LEBOVISKY, MALUTAS, and rmnpw in my spreadsheet next week.

I can seek bot accounts out and reveal them; also I can do so on blitz, but I don’t have datamining of these games now, and if somebody will provide me with it, I would post bot accs from blitz here regularly.

I'm super confused tho, has WPN said ANYTHING to you back? Have they learned nothing from their last fiasco, or do they just not care? You're literally finding the bots for them.

According to another reg I've talked to about it WPN integrity is aware of the situation

The ones I play with in 200z are clearly using a real time program or something, they all play exactly 26/20 or something like that and have almost identical post flop tendencies that no group of regs would likely have from all studying the same material, it's too similar. There is a theory that it's not actual bots but rather players using RTA which is why sometimes they will just do random things that no bot would ever be programmed to do

I feel like WPN only bans bots when the bot malfunctions. I reported a malfunctioning HUSNG bot and it got banned immediately without question. (Roughly 1.5 - 2 years ago)

I just logged off because there were so many bots in, games were terrible.

WPN bot monitoring this week:

41 of 48 previously found accounts are still playing:



Also three new bot accounts were found:

selfassurance
kamizyaka
PattonJr


I added the nicknames and stats of new accounts to my latest Google-spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

As WPN doesn’t react to posts about bots in any ways,

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...n-wpn-1753413/

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ealed-1777912/

I believe that _jimbo_'s suggestion makes sense.

I suggest everyone to start this.
https://twitter.com/WPN_CEO
https://twitter.com/ACR_POKER

In addition, I'm going to write an appeal to the owners of the WPN on this forum soon.

Thanks for your good job guys, I would like to suggest a nickname that you should look over "zgirovsky58" from belarus.

WPN bot monitoring this week:

45 of 51 previously found accounts are still playing:


Also two new bot accounts were found:

grafist
Whydah142

I added the nicknames and stats of new accounts to my latest Google-spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

Since the WPN does not respond to bots in any way, I once again suggest that all players start spamming the tweeters of Phil and ACR

https://twitter.com/WPN_CEO
https://twitter.com/ACR_POKER

Thank you for your attention.
I analyzed "zgirovsky58" stats and I don't think it's a bot.

WPN bot monitoring this week:

43 of previously found accounts are still playing:

NL400+

CheckRiverPls
HiMomIChampion
shootist
Arachnid
Blankensh
PokerMyGun
PappyPoker
BILLYBOBDJOE
THEOTOKOS
DOZKI
DUMBBE11
AAWORLDVIEW
JamMonster
FatSanta

MALUTASKURATOV
rmnpwr
LEBOVSKIY

NL100-200

LaLaRa2211
Unassailable1
RiderofGhost
BigRoosterJrod
Rusty4Orange
RADIAC
djshiggles
G1Gantes
33SKYLARK
disciple8
NEANDERT
Vi1aminN

NL25-50

wielded
QueenofCrime1
drtyprist
Cookiedope8
Cormoran49
Meteoroid
neophyte31
robinyoutstack
ANN1HILATE
badsoldier
NoNeedToKnowMe
SpringheelJack

Soletaire
Whydah142

Also two new bot accounts were found, both on NL100:

makise
kissel

I added the nicknames and stats of new accounts to my latest Google-spreadsheet:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing


During monitoring, I found the following: only two of the new bots opened in the end of September and in October (ivanbayan, DAMSalvatR, Soletaire, Snarker, selfassurance, kamizyaka, PattonJr, grafist, Whydah142) continues playing in the room (grafist and Whydah142). I'd like to hope that the absence of the others is the result of WPN´s security work.

If this is true, maybe the WPN´s security will again pay attention and take a closer look to my list of bots that were opened earlier and continue playing.
The list of playing bots I posted above.

Bots in the list and the "oktober" bots have the same stats what you can see from my Google-spreadsheets

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

It took them actually getting caught live on twitch during a HU match in an MTT (bot was FoxRox) for them to even lift a finger and do anything at all. Even then they still refunded bot money to bots from the same ring. At this point idk how you wouldn't believe it's ACR themselves.

hey guys,

i contemplated opening an own thread, but for now, i think here is a good place.

there is a group of 15-20 accounts in the blitz 200 games that all play the same unique style. Quite different from what you see regulars at other sites do.

They play high volume and take decent positions in the beast leaderboards every week.
Most of them only started playing Mid August 2020.


here is what i think, they have in common, what might help to spot them:


-high vpip/pfr gap (26/19ish)
-coldcalling a lot in mp - bu as well as from SB (12%ish mp, 16% co, 18% bu, 10% sb)
-high button opening freq (50% and more)
-low fold to 3bet (40%)
-folding to 4bets a lot (some at 65%+)
-limping range in ep - co of exactly aa-tt
-no limping from SB
-calling 2 raisers (coldcall 3bet (around 6%)
-very elastic defending ranges postflop, depending on the betsize they face
-collusion