It's been 3 months since Tyler published his post.
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...ealed-1772724/
I would like to tell you how the situation developed after that.
First, the accounts exposed by Tyler disappeared from the game. WPN’s representative organized a conference, where we sent him new accounts that were suspected of botting for verification. 52 accounts were sent in total. The WPN representative was provided with tables of stats, from which anyone familiar with poker can clearly say that these are bots. People don't play like that. New accounts continued to play. The WPN representative was clearly playing for time. As I suspect, the conference was created for a completely different purpose, viz. to remove WPN discussions from the public, so that gradually the noise around the room populated by bots will subside.
Around August 16-17, some of the accounts from the Tyler's list started playing again. I wrote in conference “Yesterday I saw several bots from Tayler's list playing on WPN after a month's break”
The manager answered me "But as you might understand we stand a neutral position, while we appreciate your reports and observation we carefully review every single report and give every user a fair investigation and follow a very strict protocol" .
New accounts were not closed, while old ones came out to play more and more. Nowadays, about half of the bots, especially high-limit accounts are back in the game again.
I made two Google-tables. In the first one there are the old accounts that came back to play after passing the WPN "verification".
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
List of nicknames:
CheckRiverPls
HiMomIChampion
shootist
Reptile1
Arachnid
Blankensh
LaLaRa2211
Unassailable1
wielded
QueenofCrime1
drtyprist
Cookiedope8
Cormoran49
The second one contains new accounts, and accounts that Tyler didn't find when he wrote his post.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing
List of nicknames:
neophyte31
robinyoutstack
ANN1HILATE
badsoldier
NoNeedToKnowMe
SpringheelJack
RiderofGhost
BigRoosterJrod
Rusty4Orange
RADIAC
djshiggles
G1Gantes
33SKYLARK
disciple8
NEANDERT
Vi1aminN
FAIRY7
PokerMyGun
PappyPoker
BILLYBOBDJOE
THEOTOKOS
OGLYDUNAI
rmnpwr
DOZKI
LEBOVSKIY
DUMBBE11
MALUTASKURATOV
AAWORLDVIEW
JamMonster
From these tables you can see that all the accounts have almost the same stats. Main features of the bot game:
Preflop
1. High % Fold vs 4Bet: 55-75% (some new accounts may have 40+)
2. Extremely high % call from SB vs steal from CO and Button: 7-11% vs CO and 11-15% vs BTN.
(it’s true only for bot ring on WPN, bots with lower% exist in other pokerrooms!)
PostFlop
Very High WWSF 47% +
Flop
1. Low % ReRaise vs Check-Raise Cbet (as a pf raiser IP):
0-2% for small-stakes accounts and up to 6 for new high-stakes ones.
2. Low % Raise Cbet (as caller pf IP):
4-8%, some account can have lower.
3. Flop Cbet sizing:
There are three main types of sizing Cbet IP:
And three main types of sizing Cbet OOP
Bots can combine Flop Cbet sizings IP and OOP in random order.
For example, one bot can have an IP sizing of the first type, and an OOP sizing of the third type, and another bot can have both sizing of the second type, and so on.
Turn
1. High % Turn Bet on a checked flop as a pf raiser IP: 50-60%
2. High % Turn Bet on a checked flop as a pf raiser OOP: 55-65%
3. High % Turn Bet on a checked flop as a pf caller OOP: 47-57%
4. High % Turn Bet on a checked flop as a pf caller IP: 55-65%
River
High % BXB as a pf raiser IP: 45-60%
The whole situation on the WPN can only mean one thing - someone in the room's security is in cahoots with the bot breeders (BotFarm). When indignations and complaints from players begin, this person or a group of people pass information to bot owners, who temporarily disable accounts from the list. For visibility, representatives of the room act, a supposedly working conference is being created.
But some time passes and the BotFarm get a signal to start returning bot accounts to the network.
To make it clearer - accounts with exactly the same statistically existed in different networks. All room's securities receive the information about it. 888's security blocked all bot accounts after receiving lists with statistics and evidence. Chico network having received a list of bots, not only banned these accounts, but also paid compensation to the players.
To date, Chico’s and 888’s rooms simply do not have players with such stats. All new accounts with these stats are banned instantly. Bot owners are forced to change their strategies.
But bots with old stats play in WPN and the WPN’s manager in the conference writes like this “Just a reminder, that as much as we appreciate your leads the outcomes of the investigations will remain undisclosed to third parties”. We completely agree with him, when it comes to accounts with disputed or confused statistics. But when we talk about a group of accounts with identical stats and sizings - what kind of verification is needed for those? These accounts are practically signed like “we are a group of bots”.
Maybe it's time for the WPN’s CEO Phil Nagy to take a closer look to his securityhow Chico did earlier? Current situation in the WPN way over looks like a conspiracy of the security service and the BotFarm. Collusion to getting money from poker players using prohibited technologies.
I am going to monitor the WPN network and once a week I will post here the nicknames of new bot accounts, as well as the nicknames of bots that continue to play.
For example, I’ve just found two new bot accounts:
ivanbayan NL25
DAMSalvatR NL100-200
and two old bots that keep playing:
Meteoroid NL25-50
FatSanta NL400-1000
P.S.
And a few days ago, on the WPN page, where they talk about their successes in the fight against bots, there was a surprising in its essence news. I think many people have already seen it. The room's security service proudly listed the bots' nicknames, published the confiscated amounts and lists of players who received compensation. So, firstly, the bots in this list have not played for 4-6 months (it took a lot of time to prepare such “sensation”). Secondly, the statistics of these bots are identical to those bot accounts that are now widely represented in this room (why these unfortunate accounts are guilty, while the rest are working?). And the third and the wildest - in the list of players who received compensation, I found many bots of the same network, with the same stats (for example:
lastresistance, Dijkstra48, toxicdesu, Tsunami8000, alakrity, ayaz,hankmoody84…).. Banned bots, took money from bots and bots were compensated (help bot breeders in redistributing funds + self-promotion?).