bump


recently played a couple of sessions. pool still heavily infested with those fish-bots

bunch of new accounts and some that already played back in autumn of last year

i've been fascinated by which accounts have disappeared after the latest update. it seems almost beyond question now that nikityrik is a bot (if it wasn't already). i've noticed several accounts from the main ring disappear, but there also have been a couple that didn't. that could mean they were misidentified or that the operators accounted for the changes relatively quickly. it seems the changes have posed some difficulty for the bots, though. not sure how to parse it.

most interesting is that a few semi-high volume accounts have disappeared which did not conform to the main ring's tendencies. some of them i've had suspicions about for awhile. all the efforts here and on the russian forums have focused on the main ring (and that work has been excellent), but i think there are other profiles in use which are harder to detect. jardani and xory were identified largely because of their insane volume, and i now believe nikit falls in that category as well. all 3 were unique profiles. how could there not be others out there? there must be.

how can we go about identifying them? is it even useful? if an algorithm becomes so sophisticated it's indistinguishable from a human, maybe we have no choice but to leave it up to the sites and pray.

I fairly recently started dabbling in the 200 Blitz game and reported 8 accounts so far that fit the exact description you gave here. You actually took the words right out of my mouth with each characteristic that they have and it's almost verbatim what I relayed to WPN security as well. The players almost appear to be loose fish at first glance with some of the preflop actions they make but after getting more of a sample, there's a realization that they are just looser bots that are winning.

Did anything ever come of the accounts you outlined in your post and I presume reported? There's no question that new accounts will keep popping up but I'm curious if any of the old accounts were shut down and funds were delivered back to players.

Sadly, one of the players tossed around in this thread a year ago, 0NLYBLUFF, was one of the accounts I reported a few days ago before finding this thread so it doesn't look like enough is being done on WPN's end to control the botting issue.

I've played a ton of these players, including 500+ hands with ProtocolFantom, and FlappyBird who are both still playing as of a few days ago.

Whydah142 still plays as well.

check out PhenomII and Godscape. (not saying these two are bots)

*I've never received any refund from ACR.

WPN needs to make these players record their entire sessions each day for an entire month with GO PRO 9 cameras. If they dont crack down on these cheats from eastern bloc countries online poker is going to die and their company is going to go bankrupt when all USA players refuse to play anymore! WPN needs to be absolutely vigilante about rooting out CHEATS!!!!!!!!!

PhenomII probably isn't a bot. If it/he is, the bot owner talks in the chat.

ProtocalFantom is playing nl25 right now.

Cross posted on the WPN discussion thread but figured it would be relevant here as well:

Since I'm on my way out of ACR, I figured I would post part of the bot ring in question that is infesting at least the NL200 Blitz pool. These bots were reported to the security team over a week ago but I have low hopes of action being taken and wanted to pass along the names in case anyone else wanted to do further research, reporting, or just have more awareness about them.

One of the players, B0MBER, was brought up and reported in a 2+2 thread on 10/30/2020 https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...&postcount=125 and is still playing almost every day in the pool so be very wary of any 'bot detection' that WPN uses imo.

N0TICED
B0MBER
TROWEL89
NoGodNoMaster
0NLYBLUFF
R33Dbull
Dicranura
Amyylee
GrogutheChild

All the above players are from Russia with the exception of 2 "residing" from Kazakhstan.

They all:

-play right around 26/20
-have very high WWSF%
-act fairly quickly no matter what play is made before them (never ever have seen one come close to time banking)
-call 3Bs so wide that you think they're fish at first or likely still do think they're fish
-higher coldcall to 'raise + 3B'
-lots of coldcalling
-high open button frequency but lower SB open frequency
-randomly limp from EP-CO with a premium AA-TT hand

I’ve seen Protocol punt before after I called him a bot in the chat, he started doing these huge jams pre-…still could be a bot/ RTA doing it as a cover play to throw off bot detectors…

Don't give Russian players any action.

This is a strong list and basically captures my thoughts on this. FWIW I've seen Amyylee time bank.

Godscape may need more attention imo. Have them as a ridiculous winner over very big sample with very non-standard preflop decisions. I mean I think it's either a bot or an exploitative genius and, in the latter case, they should obv be moving up.

I've played with almost all of these players and with a bunch with a lot of the bots listed earlier in the thread from 2021. Have never received anything from ACR. Most of the quoted list here are currently still regularly playing on ACR.

no cause if he moves up the exploitative stuff he does may not work get countered too much there, or maybe he she dont want the stress of moving up?

Nice try bot, please click all the buses in this captcha then

Great job OP. I am a high volume grinder at Plo 50-200, I have serious suspicions on the following screen names at those stakes:

C0matose
Majorpsycho
Ivandoesnotcry
Kaysados
Flaughter
Disowned8
B1aderunner
Opportunist
Asmodian
Janvis

Iall have extremely similar stats styles and all play very similar to what you described. Any others here that agree with me? Very obvious something is going on.

You are right! Most of the ones you mention are Eastern block bots. There was a thread somewhere dedicated on the subject. I quit ACR for several months, I'm very dissapointed to see these guys are still there. Good thing they're not the best, but still taking a ton of money out of the games.

+1 got the same ideas about this group. Nice job!

so basically you guys know exactly who the bots are, and they are still playing

he is 100% a bot

Is there a current list of possible bots in blitz200?
All suspicious players do not play on normal tables (they do not appear in smarthand).

They are still playing. :
NoGodNoMaster
GrogutheChild
Dicranura

I am taking note of players that seem suspicious to me.

One of them is pincher44

So, theres a thread full of Bots continuing to play on WPN, yet nothing is being done?



Is that what one can gather here?


Why are their funds not just immediately confiscated and just kicked off the site? I don't get it.

because they are run by ACR

Ding, ding, ****ing ding.

Cmon now, don’t be so cynical…they’re probably just playing live with help from software and ‘sharing’ with some of their WPN friends.

been playing on ACR for a long time and having to sit and play with known bots is excruciatingly painful. Godscape still annihilating 50blitz. As has always been the case new kazakhstani bots appear in the PLO pool seasonally. I wonder what nanonoko does in the securities team except cash in the cheques. the site is unplayable and the experience of seeing your EV being snatched by some obscure bot ring is depressing to say the least. hopefully one day I'll make my dream of owning a fair online poker room come true and it will make the world a better place