i just received this interview about the bots , https://es.worldpokerdeals.com/blog/...-and-prospects

the CEO said "I need to sleep at night, and we’ve committed to making the Winning Poker Network the safest online poker site to play at, and we are in the process of attacking this problem."

"Step 1: Admit that these things are a problem. They are.
Step 2: Start talks with the poker community currently supporting the business to find the best/fastest ways to find and beat the problem.
Step 3: Commit the resources necessary to both refund affected players and improve security that is sustainable so we can continue the fight for as long as it takes."

if i dont get at least 5k $ from this , is bull**** , i played soooooooo many hands against the bots , i was consistently at the rake race etc... , i mean , the only good thing is that is very easy for then to do this , if they ban 1 bot , they can ban like 100 accounts who are all the same player haha , so at least 2k $ average per account , 200k$ , lets see how it goes...

the rake race is the dumbest **** ever and just encourages bots to play on the site

Nice job fancypig. Ty for doing the work


fu ACR

I think its wild to think ACR just allows the bots for rake purposes. I think the actual money they take out of the ecology is worse than the rake the rake they generate, especially with how the bots are winning at decent clips.

I could get behind them being house bots, but not that they know there are bots but somehow they are good for the site, so they allow it?

Poker player theories are poker sites hate winning players, because they soak up the deposits of the recs. Unless they are bots, then they are happy about it.

I think this is way more an issue of incompetence on ACR part. They just see "Wow, volume is up we are doing good" and not "I am glad we allow the bots on the site, they are driving rake"

I think they probably get tons of "this site is rigged I lost to a bot" type complaints that they are just assuming crying wolf.

Now that it's gotten alot of awareness, they are realizing "oh the players were right, there is a bunch of BS on here"

didn't the ceo do this exact same thing ~2 years ago? they made a show of banning a couple bots, then everything continued on like normal. seems like it's ACR's main marketing tactic

No they didnt. Last year a handful of plo10 bots were banned/refunded with no official announcement. The refunds were extremely large considering how small the stakes were (one player recieved over $1000). Around the same time last year Mr. Nagy had claimed that he needed 30 days and that afterwards WPN would have the bot issue under control.

Cash players have yet to recieve word of any bots officially being banned and nobody has recieved a refund (although many of the "suspected" bots have disappeared).

Saw one bot at 25NL just now. Playing both 9max and 6max

Jokerstar

https://gyazo.com/2f49d3ee64dd3ede11fce33d255e93c7

I contacted wpn a few weeks ago to report 50nl bots, I was ignored. The only thing that makes sense is that the bots are from the company wpn

actually they did. a few years ago Phil Nagy would live stream and answer player questions. one stream when pressed on the issue he claimed WPN was going to become the toughest site on the net against botting. he even claimed that they would be so tough that there would be collateral damage because they were going to drop the hammer with such might!!!!1! that this would be the price people would have to be willing to pay if they wanted WPN to do this right... LOL

exactly. it's the same song and dance as before. they just care about perception, not whether bots are actually playing or not. from the chicagojoey thread:

I’m thinking of writing a Machine Learning algorithm to detect bots to send to WPN. Does anyone have a large sample of players I can use as the raw data like OP’s PT4 summary screenshot? I looked on statsname but am having trouble exporting data.

finally something , i got 490$ as "special refund" , i guess they banned some accounts , because i cant see that many bots as i used to see , gj wpn .

Sending some refunds to players is a drop in the bucket compared to what’s been stolen.

ACR is aids.

agreed , i lost at least 4k$ to bots , but , since i come here to complain , i gotta say when they do something right as well .

I received a refund. It was for $0.25. I take that as an insult.

I just received a refund guessing thanks to the OP's work (so thank you OP and anyone else involved).

Ironically, it was pretty apparent to me very early on that most of the low stake players were either bots or colluding (when you check the locations of players sitting, 25-50% of the players shouldn't be from some small eastern European country imo). What is surprising to me is that I didn't play much cash games, perhaps a little but nearly as much as I do on Ignition and stuck to playing tournaments for a better chance against bots/colluding, so I'm not sure if the refund is from tournament play or cash.

Here's the email from ACR:

Today, the WPN Security and Integrity team banned 30 total accounts that were under investigation for suspicious Bot activity. Refunds were then issued to all the affected players.

Your AmericasCardroom account with the username (my username) was involved in activity against one or more of these bots, so we’ve refunded your account with $10.5828.

You can check out more details about this and our complete refund policy at our website.

I just got 112$. Bots must’ve been destroying me.

Thanks OP, Joey, the people tracking and finding these bots along everyone else who helped play a role.