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05-20-2011 , 05:25 AM
i think so .. im pretty positive thats correct

The law of averages is a lay term used to express a belief that outcomes of a random event will "even out" within a small sample.

As invoked in everyday life, the "law" usually reflects bad statistics or wishful thinking rather than any mathematical principle. While there is a real theorem that a random variable will reflect its underlying probability over a very large sample, the law of averages typically assumes that unnatural short-term "balance" must occur.[1] Typical applications of the law also generally assume no bias in the underlying probability distribution, which is frequently at odds with the empirical evidence.

if guy gets dealt say AKs in his hand which is 331:1 its pretty safe to assume and more likely that he wont have it again the next hand ...
Is that not correct ? He could get it again yes but it is not as likely as say he was 300 hands from his last AKs.
You understand?

Belief that an event is "due" to happen: For example, "The roulette wheel has landed on red in three consecutive spins. The law of averages says it's due to land on black!" Of course, the wheel has no memory and its probabilities do not change according to past results. So even if the wheel has landed on red in ten consecutive spins the probability that the next spin will be black is still 48.6% (assuming a fair European wheel with only one green zero: it would be exactly 50% if there were no green zero and the wheel were fair, and 47.4% for a fair American wheel with one green "0" and one green "00"). (In fact, if the wheel has landed on red in ten consecutive spins, that is strong evidence that the wheel is not fair - that it is biased toward red. Thus, the wise course on the eleventh spin would be to bet on red, not on black: exactly the opposite of the layman's analysis.) Similarly, there is no statistical basis for the belief that a losing sports team is due to win a game or that lottery numbers which haven't appeared recently are due to appear soon. This sort of belief is called the gambler's fallacy.[1


there an example from wikipedia lol

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05-20-2011 , 05:38 AM
sux OP GL
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05-20-2011 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by LimitBOSS
i think so .. im pretty positive thats correct
no.

is this a level brah? i rly hope so.

somebody tell me if dude is leveling here, i honestly can't tell.

everything u just quoted directly contradicts your belief.

pretty sure ur leveling now.

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05-20-2011 , 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by mg0698
sux OP GL
haha yea thanks.
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05-20-2011 , 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by R3cuRsioN
no.

is this a level brah? i rly hope so.

somebody tell me if dude is leveling here, i honestly can't tell.
what if every flop in the world at poker came down with 3 of the same suit the odds are infinite basically but it is possible according to odds .
Law of averages = that wont happen ..
im just rambling on here hahaha
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05-20-2011 , 05:47 AM
lol did u reed wikipedia

As invoked in everyday life, the "law" usually reflects bad statistics or wishful thinking rather than any mathematical principle.


Not exactly reasoning a good poker player would use for how he played a hand. But, some of your other stuff makes sense based on the limits you were playing.
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05-20-2011 , 05:49 AM
well poker is about evualting everything situation to the max lol

Last edited by LimitBOSS; 05-20-2011 at 05:55 AM.
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05-20-2011 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by LimitBOSS
what if every flop in the world at poker came down with 3 of the same suit the odds are infinite basically but it is possible according to odds .
Law of averages = that wont happen ..
im just rambling on here hahaha
confirmed level now, imo
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05-20-2011 , 06:58 AM
Waiting on a reply from cake security management to the email i replyed to the last one they sent. Guy replyed saying have to wait 24 hours as the email was forwarded to manager of scecurity department or somthing even though it was the same guy "walter" who told me my funds had been took out of my account .
Anyway when they reply ill post it on here ...
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05-20-2011 , 07:23 AM
In case the OP is serious about the law of averages...

In the events of hands, cards, roulette, etc...what has happened previously has no bearing on the event of the current deal/flip/spin. If you got aces last hand, you still have the same odds (1 in 221) to get aces this hand.

The law of averages states that in the long run, you can expect (with no guarantees of course) the mathematical frequencies to get closer to their expected values.

If you flip a coin 10 times, you are much more likely to deviate far away from the expectation (5 heads/5 tails) than if you flip it 10,000,000 times. The larger the sample, the closer (% wise) you will get to the expected values.

Whether or not your AK missed the flop last time, it still has the same chance to hit this time
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05-20-2011 , 07:39 AM
Yea i know lol ...
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05-20-2011 , 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by LimitBOSS

if guy gets dealt say AKs in his hand which is 331:1 its pretty safe to assume and more likely that he wont have it again the next hand ...
Is that not correct ? He could get it again yes but it is not as likely as say he was 300 hands from his last AKs.
You understand?
What you said is the exact opposite of what is true, just so you know. Just trying to help. The fact that you got AKs last hand changes nothing. Your odds of getting it this hand are the same. And next hand too, even if you get it again. Or if you don't. Independent events.
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05-20-2011 , 08:00 AM
okie dokie . who said the odds changed
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05-20-2011 , 08:13 AM
That is pretty sick.

I mean wtf is the definition of rational poker? When we tilt we dont play rationally same when we are drunk (if we play drunk) etc.....
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05-20-2011 , 08:21 AM
Hand convertor? My question is how did the guy get sixty k onto the site in the first place? The whole sixty k was fraudulent funds ? Stolen credit cards etc? How long did the guy have sixty k on the site for?

LOL Cake Security
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05-20-2011 , 08:21 AM
Rational Poker, a new US site coming Soon. We guarantee every hand you get will be dealt with rationally. It will be legal, since we can depend on the rationality of the US Government.
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05-20-2011 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by craigmarq
FYI I believe I've heard of Cake doing this in another situation to a friend of mine. I'll check with him and have him post in this thread if thats actually the case. If I remember the story correctly he won ~10k that cake tried to do takesy backsies with and he ended up arguing with them and getting to keep the 10k.

It is the sites responsibility to prevent fraudulent deposits. You are on the site to play poker, you have no control over how the other player plays. The situation as I understand it is complete bull**** and Cake should in no way shape or form be allowed to get away with undoing play because he wasn't playing "rational poker." What kind of completely arbitrary determination allows them to decide what "rational poker" is?

I'm not sure about you guys, but my ideal opponent is one that doesn't play "rational poker." I prefer the irrational mcfish sandwiches.
2nd paraglaph ,plus1. Security is the sites responsibility not the players. I don't play cake poker because of their history. This thread just adds to that history , and will not give me the impetus to put my money on there.
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05-20-2011 , 08:41 AM
OP, thanks for supplying us with the hand histories and background information. It helps bolster your credibility. Obviously, some posters are skeptical, and for good reason (historically, most people claiming to be victims are simply trying to stir up some negative publicity to use as leverage against the sites).

But in this case, I'm inclined to believe you're a legitimate victim. My perception is influenced by your willingness to answer probing questions, statistical evidence, hand histories, and the site's own behavior. It's preposterous to claim your winnings aren't legitimate on the grounds that your opponent wasn't playing rationally. What constitutes rational play? Should players be leary of bad or 'irrational' players for fear of having their winnings confiscated? What is the standard? I thought the goal of playing winning poker was finding less skilled (or rational) players.

This behavior is simply unacceptable. It appears that Cake is simply trying to have its cake and eat it too. I wish you the best of luck in recovering your funds. I think the community deserves an explanation from Cake Poker.

Jeff Oneye
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05-20-2011 , 08:59 AM
Wow 60k fraudulent funds? How is that even possible? And Cake just taking the money and giving such an explanation is nuts, "not rational play" bs. What does that even mean anyways, chipdump, fraudulent funds, account hacked???

I feel for guys that play on worthless sites like this. GL OP hope you get your money back, will you take any legal action?
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05-20-2011 , 09:02 AM
Bunch of others on the Cake thread got their accounts frozen too, same problemo.
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05-20-2011 , 09:10 AM
I'll make to ask any future opponents on Cake: "Sir, are you of sound mind at the present and were your funds acquired in a legitimate manner?"
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05-20-2011 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Petro
I'll make to ask any future opponents on Cake: "Sir, are you of sound mind at the present and were your funds acquired in a legitimate manner?"
The legitimate manner seems of utmost importance over the sound mind.
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05-20-2011 , 09:38 AM
This is so ****ing gross. Cake should certainly be responsible in some way or fashion for a portion of that $60k getting on their site. They can't just credit peoples accounts with huge amounts of money and once they find out its fraudulent just go and seize all the money from the individuals who whacked mr. fraud for his fake dough.
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05-20-2011 , 10:53 AM
Cake needs to addrss this. No idea if OP is innocent or guilty but cake needs to prove fraud and ban OP or refund him his 60k if they cant prove he's guilty beyond all doubt.
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05-20-2011 , 11:09 AM
cake is a ****ing joke, it takes more than a month for a simple cashout, but the're very quick to seize player's funds.
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