there are lots of possibilities to give an advantage to the house bots, e.g. could they easily have access to the players' stats or know the dead cards.

This is madness!

Superusers are actually super easy to detect, even if they're sneaky enough to fold sometimes when they're ahead.

But keep on keeping on.

I bet its all a big hoax tbh

a superuser who always win is.
now what about a superusers whos intent is not to win?
now you continue please

Ignore him mate, he'd ignore the truth if it swam up and bit his ass!

(Yes, I've seen Jaws too many times )

Your right there have been bots on iPoker forever but there are atleast 1 major difference. Before they claimed they were illegal and just turned their head the other way. Now they are house bots run by the site or Network.

It was bad enough they turned their head, IMO. Now they are employing them themselves is clearly wrong.

Accounts that appear for small sample sizes with crazy win rates then disappear can not be proven either way.

A house bot would obviously change it's user name on a regular basis.

Poker site runners are greedy, but they aren't stupid (unless they own FTP, although they're all multi millionaires so hardly THAT stupid!).

Not just neutral bots, though, actual winning house bots.

$7,000x however many other (hundreds??) boths they have is a lot of money. Player money that is going where?

That would be pretty sick!

Why? I started a thread about ipoker years ago

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/51...stions-431703/

and have participated in most of the various ipoker bot threads since, and everyone knows they allow bots, so whether they use their own some or not would not really surprise me at this time.

We would definitely need proof these were anything beyond normal bots for it to be much more of an issue than "bots on ipoker" which is the equivalent of saying the ocean is wet. Sure it is a bit scummy if they use them, but if they can be proven to be super users then that is a whole other thing. I doubt they would use names like bot74747 if that was their intent, but no doubt the paranoid crowd will assume they are trying to use reverse psychology or something with those user names.

I stopped playing there a couple years ago as a result, and all consumers can make that same choice if they like as well. If you play there you will play against a lot of bots.

Wow, assuming this is real:

1. Party Poker - the first site ever busted 'rigging' their games. their casinos were originally designed to massively and blatantly favor the house. after this was mathematically busted they blamed a 'programming mistake'.

2. Absolute Poker / UB - operators created superusers to see players' hole cards and subsequently stole and cheated players out of millions.

3. Full Tilt Poker - straight up stole hundreds of millions from players, continued to steal ~$10million per month from players even as the site was nearing insolvency and bankruptcy.

4. iPoker - operated house run bots that were crushing the games. still to be determined to what degree. were the house run bots utilizing any unfair advantages?

It's such a shocker more people don't play internet poker. Seems legit to me. At this point it seems a certainty that at least one site is rigging their games. "No, we'll create super users, steal from player funds, and create house operated bots - but rigging the games, no that's where we draw the line!" Yeah... It will be interested to see which site gets busted first and whether it will impact their traffic or not.

R.I.P. online poker.

Of course, some people will claim that bots are easy to detect and beat. But how long will that last? I remember seeing a computer spank the world's greatest chess player.

At this point, I find it impossible to consider the fact that not one online poker site are not (weren't) rigging the deal. Top 3 candidates are Entraction, FTP and I-Poker.

No proof, but that's my top 3 all the same

Did you read my post? When there were rumblings that Cake may have had superusers, NoahSD and someone else (sorry I forgot their name) made bots that could superuse and would fold hands they were winning to keep their winrate reasonably low, but it was still blatantly obvious something was off.
Why would a site be sneaky in that way, but be open enough to say "Yeah, we have bots"?

Can you provide the links for this? I would be curious when this took place as I and many others casino bonus whored Party for literally a ton back in the days and the results were generally as expected in terms of house edge (and we played a lot of various games there). Our team had probably close to a million blackjack hands played for instance.

Thanks.

Over 200,000 players on Stars now, so it may not be quite dead yet, even if you say "R.I.P"

I am interested in that, too.

The wiki article covers it and provides references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bwin.pa..._entertainment

ctrl+f for 'rigging'

In the statement, "In the 1990s, Las Vegas consultant and actuary Michael Shackleford ran a computer trial of the first blackjack and roulette games offered by the Company. Shackleford stated that the "results clearly showed they (the games) weren't fair", Michael Shackleford is better known as "The Wizard of Odds" as you probably know but I suspect most do not.

Email dated 29/09/2011 from William Hill

Dear *************,


I’m glad to hear that you’re planning on playing again with William Hill
and I’d like to take this opportunity to address the issue you have raised
in your email.

I can assure you that both William Hill and iPoker do not tolerate bots, and
should anyone be found using prohibited software, they will be permanently
banned from the network.

We do however take your concerns very seriously and will investigate your
comments further with our Poker Team. I assure you that you’ll be given
feedback as soon as possible from either ***** or myself.

Thank you for bringing this to our attention and I look forward to seeing you
again at our tables.

Best Regards,

*************

Is this another ruse?

Because if it is, prettty elaborate.

These bastards can't even get their story straight. Withdrawing my roll asap.

That is....if they let me.

Hi,

As the official representative for PaddyPowerPoker, I can only apologise for the confusion that has been caused by this chat session with one of our new support agents.

The Agent in Question is very new to the site, and became confused when asked questions about a William Hill account and William Hill's terms and conditions, both of which he knows nothing about. Just to clear up a few things :-

- The Agent could not look up the player becasue this is not a paddypowerpoker player.

- Ipoker do not restrict usernames in the first place, so it is entirely possible for genuine players to have the word 'bot' in their screenname.

-Paddypowerpoker does not allow bots, and if we suspect an account of being a bot, we investigate as best we can, and then send them onto ipoker for further investigation and closure.

Just to reiterate the most important point : We do not, and never have allowed, accepted or tolerated bots playing on our skin, and have always pushed Ipoker as hard as we can for assurances that they are policing the network properly and shutting accounts of suspected botters.

As always, we welcome and encourage players to report suspected bots to us for further investigation from our teams and ipoker.

Jonny
Paddypowerpoker

^^

Yeah ok...hahaha, you guys got some nerve, I'll give you that.

Ruth Parasol's spokesman Jon Mendelsohn acknowledged that the chances had "tipped too much toward the house", but attributed the problems to "software flaws", not rigging. It led to the development of their own proprietary software rather than using external platforms.


is what they said about it, and while I know the paranoid bunch will never want to believe something like that I can tell you first hand some of the software issues some of these casinos had in the days (some for the players , some against) were at times pretty insane.

The flip side to that would be a site like Empire Casino (which eventually closed down and stole players money) that got creamed by bonus whores who loved the fact that their software was insanely buggy and allowed some +EV plays that should have never been allowed to happen. Want to double down split aces? No problem! Want to double down a 3 card hand? No problem if it is the second one of the split hands.

My team got in and out before they shut down (one of the few rooms I checked neteller every day to see when it hit), so as much as this will annoy riggies I am inclined to agree that the software was not properly developed at that time.

Years later Party still had a ton of bugs that could be exploited for player gains, including some blackjack tables that generated 10 times the VIP points and to this day they still have a bug with the free bonuses they offer to players.

Thanks for the link, but the glory days featured a lot more interesting stuff than that!


P.S. As much as the bot issue on ipoker annoys me, we do need more than a chat with a random base level customer service rep as well, but the sooner any kind of pressure placed on them gets them to fight the bots the better.

Wow, everyone should cash out and boycott ipoker. Let their bots play by themselves and get the word out to anyone unknowingly playing there not understanding what this botting really does to the games and could mean.