Needs moar

PS, 5SH: about the PM last week, u were totally right. Sorry, totally spaced out for a few days, I meant to respond.

1. Doyles room does not have tons of players, not sure where you got that impression from. They are part of the Yatahay Network which has roughly 200-400 players across all Yatahay skins.

2. Not even remotely true. Do you really think PI borrowing $10mil (which granted, is a lot) if he even did from FTP which he is a big investor in would completely hault US payouts? NO, the reason why FTP is not paying US players right now is because they DO NOT have it. They spent X amount of Millions on marketing, promos, ONYX Cup all to try and keep up with PokerStars marketing to be a contender, obviously failing. US players will get paid, it's without a question, but the timeframe could be a while I'm not denying that.

3. Wrong, DoJ has no business going straight after your "fly by night, small poker rooms" as you can see they went for the heavy hitters who were committing crimes (bank fraud, etc) they compilled tons of evidence against them, made their case and proceeded with indictments. However If these "fly by" sites are however committing crimes then yes they could potentially be shut down, but to speculate and say the DoJ will def. go after them is erroneous.

4. What site do you keep referring to that you have this much animosity towards? Are you the lonely player on WSEX or Legendz Poker that shouldn't be playing there to begin with

5. We need to think? I'm wondering if you ever have.

Yeah right. Never say never. There is ALWAYS that chance the DOJ will step in. And it's only been a few months after they took down the big sites. You act like it's been a few years after the DOJ stepped in.

And thanks for the example on Doyles room not having a ton of players. That right there just goes to show you that even small sites get shut down.


As for anyone still trying to decide on whether to deposit on these small sites or not, my suggestion would be to stay faaaar away from all of them. The scene is too hot right now. It's only been a few months. Don't be a fool sleeping while your money is on some site you hardly know anything about.

Ive been trying to get logged into sportsbook software for the last hour and not having any luck..Can anybody tell me what kind of traffic their getting on average? Thank you

Of course there is always a chance with the DoJ, no site accepting US players is 100% safe and we all know that! We take the risk when we put money online now with the current state of online poker.

Stop ignoring my questions, what small "fly by" poker site are you talking about? We can't avoid the "fly by" site if we don't know the name of it! Like I said, if players do the proper research and review the site before depositing as well as listening to player feedback and everything checks out and they feel comfortable with the sites reputation then proceed.

I never said the small sites don't get shut down. The DoJ isn't picking poker sites out of a hat and busting them, they are after those who violate US law. I was simply correcting your false statement on Doyles Room being a huge site with tons of players, because that is simply not true. Shows how much you know about what you're talking about, you can't even get traffic reports right!

Don't feed the trolls.

When was Doyles Room shut down? They had their domain name seized but they NEVER shut down during that time and continued to offer Real Money Cash Games throughout. I play on their 'sister' site on the same Network=True Poker and I requested a Cashout the VERY DAY they had their domain name seized and received a check by mail in less than 2 weeks.

Not saying that there aren't risks, but it's apparent from your posts that you are completely misinformed about what has happened with these sites.

I agree and assume this is one of the reasons along with the fact that Action Poker Network has had a lot of negative press for non payment of player and affiliates and they may not want to be associated with that.

I love Cake. Good rb, soft games. I play mostly O/8, but the times I played holdem the games weren't too tough. Of course I only play recreationally so the slow checks isnt a big issue with me. But even if you needed the income, I don't see what the big deal would be if you requested a check every month, even if they're late you'd be on schedule.

There are much better options on their own Network then Cake itself, IMHO.

There are skins that have better payout options and are much quicker to payout on the Cake Network.

Do they have regular big bet O/8 games going? Or any O/8 most of the time?

They are going to have exactly the same as Cake because they are on the same Network and share the same player pool. Example: Intertops

im european and i play at merge so id recommend it to americans too

Which is most trustworthy site? It is one thing to play, but another to get paid when you try to collect.

Here is a post I created a while back and will copy it again and the information should still be correct. The Networks below have had

Everleaf(Minted Poker, RaiseandFold,etc...)- Offers fast Western Union Cashouts. I've made multiple Cashouts by Western Union since Black Friday and have received in 2-3 days every time. They offer 40% RB, Deposit Bonuses, RakeChases(through the right affiliates), and the other 'skin' promotions (Example: Minted poker offers various promotions each month). Minted Poker has a sponsored thread on 2p2 that a Minted Neil(Minted Poker rep) posts on to answer questions and resolve any issues. RaiseandFold owner also posts on 2p2 and is always available to answer questions and take suggestion as is Neil. Everleaf Network was made up of 3 separate Networks but last week they combined them to increase traffic accross all skins. The traffic is decent and improving. The software is playable and HUD's are allowed, though it has a few issues, but they will be releasing a new Poker Client in approximately 2 months.

Yatahay (True Poker, Doyles Room, etc...)-Offers fast cashouts. I've requested multiple Paper Checks since Black Friday and I've received all of them in under 2 weeks. For a paper check that is pretty quick. They offer 27% RB, First Deposit Bonus and frequently run large Rake Races Network Wide. They have large Guaranteed Tournaments(Sat. 7.5K, Sunday 15K and a 3.5K daily) on the weekends for the size of the Network that frequently have Overlay and have plenty of Satellites running to them. True Poker has a site Rep on 2p2 and a sponsored forum to help answer questions. The Traffic is low and has been up and down recently. They had gained a lot of Traffic but lost some when they released a new Poker Client and initially had some issues with it. The software still has some issues, but all US facing sites do currently, IMO. PT3 is compatible with the new Poker client.

Bodog- Offers fast Cashouts also. I've not requested on from Bodog since Black Friday but all accounts point to very fast Cashouts. They do NOT have RB available. They have a VIP system which does not offer much value, IMO. They also limit the amount of tables that you can play at one time to 4! The software is pretty unique and it seems to get mixed reviews. I've not had issues on it personally, but have only played a very small volume on Bodog.

My final suggestion would be to play on multiple Networks to help get your volume in. This may mean playing 3 tables on Minted Poker, 3 tables on Yatahay, and 4 tables on Bodog(just an example). This will allow you to take advantage of the promotions that may be going on at different Networks, table select, and still receive fast Cashouts. I would personally avoid Cake because of their shady history that continues(see thread in Internet Poker Forum where they are not paying a player that won 50-60K). They have had a lot of trouble paying even non-US players, with MoneyBookers taking multiple weeks on average. If your set on playing on the Cake Network, I would recommend playing on a skin like Intertops. You can get RB, Deposit bonus, and play with the same players on Intertops that you do on Cake, yet they offer faster Cashouts by all accounts. Intertops also has a sponsored thread on 2p2 with a site rep that monitors the thread to help answer questions!

NOTE: I left out Merge because they are currently NOT accepting new US players!

do you prefer minted or raise and do you have to sign up with an affiliate to get rb?

News flash: I've heard from multiple different sources that Merge will be re-accepting new US accounts within the next couple of days. I know that a lot of rumors tend to circulate around and it's hard to tell what's reliable, but it might still be worth posting Merge info anyways.

You are correct. I think Tilt wrote that post awhile ago thats why that particular line is somewhat out of date with the latest news. Its good new players know that Merge could soon be an option considering its the biggest network with the most action available to US players.

These rumors have floated before and it didn't happen. I'm aware of the rumors and will make a post about Merge once they do announce they are accepting US players, remember this post was a previous post also.

Where should an American play on Merge? Can we bonus whore all the rooms? And do they all offer rakeback?

Merge is not accepting new us players(other than Sportsbook I believe). None of the sites offer RB but a lot of the skins offer very good VIP Systems such as RPM, Lock, and BlackChip.

I've been lurking for quite awhile and thought I would share this e-mail that I just received with you guys.



"
USA PLAYERS: Unfortunately at present you are unable to create a new real money account with us, but please check back in a few weeks as we expect to open registrations for US customers again soon. If you would like to be added to a notification list for when we are again accepting US players please email us at vip@blackchippoker.com with 'Notify me US' in the subject line.



Kind regards,

Nathan
CEO
BlackChip Poker "

As of right now, Merge is no longer accepting new US player sign-ups. If you created an account on a Merge skin before June 1st and played/play now you would still be allowed as nothing has changed, they have just halted new US player sign-ups. I expect this to end soon, however can not offer a set date on when Merge will open it's door back up for US sign-ups.

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but you don't mean no Merge skin allows RakeBack do you? Because I would have to say this is false.

I'm pretty sure he meant that if you signed up today, you couldn't get RB, which is correct.

Also, Sportsbook, a Merge skin, is now actively accepting new US players dont forget so Im not sure we want to say that Merge is no longer accepting new US player sign-ups.

Ah you have a point, however you can't sign up today if you're from the US.

Edit: 5thSt, you are correct, forgot about Sportsbook for a quick minute, getting tired I guess