mmmkay

the last part of this statement is wrong

Which fundamental skill set is more important to online poker than mathematical ability?

intuition and skill maybe!

For someone so cocky and 'mmmkay' smartazz it's amazing you don't understand what yer replying to here. Let me waste some extra time clarifying what this poster meant:

You say:

"There are simply other things a mathematically-challenged person can do to make money more effectively than play a game which, especially online, is almost entirely mathematical."

To which poster replies:

"the last part of this statement is wrong"

to which you reply:

Interpretation for Sam the smartazz:

OP (aka me) Is too stupid to make money doing anything cause his mathes isn't good.

Make sense Sam?
Use yer highly tuned mathes skillz to figure it out if not...

Poker intuition and skill are built from knowing the math so well that your "guesses" become really educated. Even reading others' hands based on betting patterns is largely a function of recognizing mathematics (interpreting HUD numbers, for instance, to get a range of hands) and then applying those numbers in an odds-based way (ie - knowing what to do with your hand against the range of hands your opponent may have, based on your fold equity, showdown percentage, pot odds, and implied odds). Online (where there are no physical tells), this is what "intuition and skill" largely amount to.

It all comes from a fundamental understanding of the math behind each decision, and (in the case of multitabling, which is how most of us generate high hourly rates) the ability to make those decisions very quickly.

"Intuition and skill" are not answers...cognitively, where do those things come from? Mathematical ability, in large part. Also important, granted, are concentration and memory.

Jesus Christ...not only are you too dense, after more than a YEAR on 2p2, to figure out how to calculate rakeback (or go to any RB site and use their rakeback calculator to figure out how much you're losing out on by not having it)...not only are you too dense to do the arithmetic after someone tells you how to calculate it...not only are you WAY too high-strung and sensitive to be asking a dumb question in the ZOO like the one you posed...but you also have the reading comprehension of a 4th grader.

Really? That's what you took from this statement I made in my first response to this thread?

I never said you had to be a math genius to make money...hell, I never even said you had to be good at math to make money at poker -- you could learn by rote what to do in enough situations to be profitable. All I said is that there were OTHER THINGS one with limited math abilities could do to make money more effectively than poker. And you took that as an insult to your e-penis and went all ape-**** with it.

I feel like I'm babysitting my brother-in-law's kids.

I wasn't been facitious, Sam. Just throwing it in the ring thats all, calm down man. Youv'e had a heated tone all the way thru this thread. Just cos u got a degree in math or something does not mean ur are automatically gonna be good player. To me it seems Op has been ere a year learning things that applied to him and after some time has realiaized he may av neglected certain areas of the game. That he realises it ,comes on and asks about Rakeback is no reason to shoot im down like ur self and some others with sarky put downs.By the way im reading this thread cos i'd like to know as much as poss about RB also. And i'm a newb ere, but cos i'm new i'd be better doing something else,right? Please feel fre to pass comment on my Grammar.

It's your spelling that's atrocious. My first post wasn't heated at all -- just honest. I'll stand by the statements I've made (which have gone thoroughly unrefuted, merely complained about). I don't have a math degree...but I do have the ability to do simple calculations, especially after the formula has been given to me.

This is the exact OPPOSITE of what I've said about OP...being a newb gives you somewhat of an excuse if you decide to ask questions that someone who's been here over a year should have been easily able to answer for himself.

Actually its the speed of my typing thats atrocious, lol! This is the reason for the text language.

Settle down Sam and try to be civilized.

Your personal attacks only make you look angry. Truly I'm not upset with your responses. Keep it coming brotha -- I'll figure this stuff out sooner or later in spite of my edumacation deficiensays...

First of all, you're overestimating the importance of this discussion in my life. 2p2 is often something I do to blow off the steam of a bad run at cards. Second of all, don't tell me to settle down, n00btard. You're the one who took what I said (which was 100% correct, that people who aren't good at math are probably better qualified to do other things for money) and proceeded to:

-Call me mean:
-Assume and announce that you're a better poker player than me (knowing nothing about me...not knowing that while you play "about 6" low-stakes SNG's every day I make a living playing about 80 mid-to-high stakes SNG's every day)
-Call me cocky:
-And completely misrepresent everything I said:
And then you have the audacity to tell me to calm down? I don't care whether you're angry about my initial comments or not. I expressed an opinion (that you're probably not suited to playing poker to make money), which I stand by...and over the course of the discussion, you've proven yourself to not only suck at math, but suck at life too.

Edit to Add from the Chat bans and Shattered Mouses thread:
Two marriages broken over poker? Awesome...gambling addict, much?

Ayea -- sarcasm look it up Sam

Thou does protest too much and yer still a big mean head

and of course and hopefully finally -- last word? I'll TAKE IT my angry friend...

WORD

RB isn't nearly as important as 2p2 tries to make it out to be. You should be working on your game and playing at the site with the most fish. RB is a bonus but in no way would it be at the top of my list of priorities when choosing a site.

i think you're very incorrect here.. I can pay my bills with my rakeback half the time. And it keeps marginal losing players playing.

It's a pretty easy equation. RB is usually about 1/12 - 1/15 of my monthly winnings. I think RB is important for a lot of people psychologically. It helps people stay motivated to grind. But it is shouldn't be making you play in worse games. It's all about $/hour. Do some math and decide if RB matters for you.

playing professionally without a good rakeback deal is almost not worth playing professionally at all.

A better question might be "is it better to play at a soft room without rakeback or a tough room with rakeback?" I called for data to answer that here.