The skin I play at has just rolled the new software out.

It is god awful. How have thaey managed to make it worse? No wonder there is no traffic there anymore.

I just cant play on it.

Pls sort it out on game

A

This software is just AWFUL

1. I can't work on other things while playing poker now cause the damn table keeps popping up - i get one word typed in my document before the poker software pops up again

2. No waiting list

3. Horribly slow game play

4. Can no longer multitable - less rake generated for you ongame

5. They changed the Java software too - was at least hoping I could still use the old version of that. It was fast and simple

Now these are the reasons I chose to play on Ongame and not Stars in the past:

A. Fish - you can easily tag fish and follow them around - hard to do with no waiting list

B. Multitabling - The tables did not pop up and get in the way, as they do on Stars (at least the Mac version)

C. Bonuses - well, we know what happened there.

A + B + C = Decent Winrate

Nice job ongame, you spent a lot of money to take away the ONLY things that were good about your network

I don't know what you play, but i tried multi-tabling 4 tables with no problem, just to see what all the fuzz is about (my room hasn't upgraded yet so i tried bwin), and seriously I can't belive what everyone is complaining about.

But i guess most people that are complaining are break-even players that rely on bonus, rakeback, promotions to have an edge, and sure that is fine i guess. But for me most of my earnings comes from actually beating the game.

And I guess you are an idiot.

I might be, but take this a constructive critcism. Today it feels like more people focusing on maxing out what they can get back in deals and live to "break-even" by insane multitabling and rakeback etc. I am not saying this is wrong, since who turns down money. But the most important part, for me at least, has always been on focusing on the game itself and getting better at it. A good win rate will always be much more valueble than a good bonus deal.

So if everyone here, who i assume is well above your average player, say they will leave ongame because the new sofware makes it to hard to play. Remeber that in that case it makes it harder for everyone. So i think it's better to adapt to it and keep beating the games. That I, by reading this thread, must belive only will become softer since all the good players and nits here are talking about leaving.

I am staying

I have the same problem.. starting from 4tables->
Can't believe what they have done to this software!

I can't seem to log in after the upgrade. I keep getting an error message saying:

"Never_Get_Here violation" and refers to a file called playernotes.cpp. I tried uninstalling and reinstalling PokerLoco (my skin) and keep getting the same problem.

Can anybody help?

lets flood the supports guys

C an someone please tell me an address where i can go with a bat and break who ever the f*** created this piece of s**t. Or at least an email so I can complain to my hearts content. Stopping 8x is one thing but will i really spend $10k a month on rake in this ****????

I couldn't see any way they could make a bigger mess of this.

I can get only 5 tables running without problems now, compared to old one which worked fine 16-tabling. CPU heating like hell. All these stupid animations can be nice for 1-tabling donkey playing for pleasure, but we really need simplified non-animated minitables for grinders with actually visible cards instead of resize-blurred microcards.

I see there is no SnG quickseat option anymore. Also table layout sucks. Can barely see my own hole cards or the dealer button. You have to look for 5 secs until you figure out your position on the table due to this messy layout.

Is there any other network aside from FT/PS which is good for grinding sngs?
Cake or micro perhaps? I cant see myself grinding sngs on this network anymore.

I agree all of you guys this new SW sucks..... But somehow I like their idea of this fast seating feature they added to "lobby" but it's missing the "minimum number of peoples" sitting on table feature.. I'm playng FR games and when this feature is used I sometimes find myself playing against 1 opponent in FullRing game Hobefully that feature will be added also later on.......

And why I have to hide the Chat panel always for every opened table individually and they don't have the configuration option for hiding the Chat windows..


BTW: Anyone from Ongame reading these posts??

-SYJ

And Prima too last year. Amazing how to all these sites a software upgrade means new gimmicky graphics, a few other insignificant changes, slower game play, and plenty of new problems.

Somebody who works for bwin mentioned one of my posts itt to me, so yes. Or at least they have been, and I see no reason why they should have stopped. They need the feedback.



This thing with the playernotes: is the following correct?:

Java

Cash tables - notes work correctly

Tournament (not sure whether this is MTT or SnG or both) - the notes don't work at all

Windows Download

Cash tables - Tournaments (SnG & MTT) - notes work correctly.

Mac Download

I have no info on this.



Have I got this right, please? And can anybody add anything? I don't see why notes would be working for some and not others unless it's down to the groupings above.

New software is a joke.
What crap is this ?

Got the same problem for the notes, for some players on some situation I cant give them a note nor edit one if there was existing already.

Concerning the translation to french, king or called "dame" witch is the french word for queen.

In other word, in these circumstances :

K J

T 8 2

The software will tell me my hand is Queen High.

Not sure this is a bad thing, u do want the fish confused

!!!!

I guess none of you have read what OnGame says about their new software:

Huh? Clogs?

and

Just wanted to clear that up for you.

-pyg

Hey all,

I have read people here complaining about the bwin programmers, but the real responsible of this big mess are the people in the board of bwin. The people who manage a gross income of roughly 420 millions of Euro (around 200 coming from Poker).

If someone gives me a yearly budget of 200 mio to develop and manage a poker server, I think I can do a little better than they are doing :-)

Manfred Bodner and Norbert Teufelberger
(Ref. http://www.bwin.org/Company/Authorit...tiveBoard.aspx)

with the supervision of

Hannes Androsch, Chairman of the Supervisory Board
(Ref. http://www.bwin.org/Company/Authorit...sAndrosch.aspx)

Please, look carefully at their picture on their website and tell me what impression do you have ;-)

When so many things in a company are bad, we should not complain with the programmers or the support people (I heard someone here naming them "morons"). If a programmers team is not well managed, if the software usability is not well considered, if the support is not well organized and the people are not well trained, why should you complain with them?

Bwin is bad from any point of view (below a short list I have summed up by talking with friends who play there):

- The poker client is currently a mess
- Bonuses and promotions are not valuable
- The website usability is zero
- The Neteller cashouts sometimes are "declined" by the processor for bwin internal technical reson
- The Web Money cashouts regularely takes 7-10 days to be processed
- The e-mail support usually answers with super short sentences which never give any kind of explanation about the problems they have (sometimes they answer after several days and they never give you a feeling that they have understood what you asked, even if in fact they have)
- If you call them, you can be 100% sure that the people answering have not even a vague idea about what they are talking about (an example: a friend of mine called them because he had a problem with Web Money and after he mentioned it, the support person answered "What kind of problem do you have? You have serveral option on the __WEB__ to transfer your __MONEY__, can you explain?". Well, he did not even know what is "Web Money")
- and more...

Remember, when the market is good (the Poker market is running well and bwin has a big base of customers), but a company is a mess, the fault is ALWAYS on the board. And they are in charge till December 31, 2012, which means that they can destroy the Poker side of bwin for that date.

Remember their names: Manfred Bodner and Norbert Teufelberger, with the supervision of Hannes Androsch.

I bet that these beautiful guys have never even seen the software they launched.

Moreover, I think they are probably quite arrogant as well, because the way bwin is managing all this transactions work, shows some arrogancy. They don't care about customers. They simply DON'T CARE. They want to do their nice little transaction to the marvellous P5 platform, they want to clean up their house from all the past skin and bring everything under their name. They don't care if Waiting list feature, HH configuration settings, table organizing features, are not IN. They just want to proceed with their plan. They feel pretty sure that they won't loose customers.

But this time I think they will loose customers. At least I hope this will happen.

Tell me for which reason should a player NOW play on bwin? Please, tell me just 1 single reason to play there and not on another server.

Just my personal opinion...

Cheers

money launderers?

Yes, we know that already.

This is so so so bad.

From worse to slightly bad :

No waiting list.
No mini-tables.
Rematch button in HU is gone.
Annoying "small blind" and "big blind" text.
Annoying circle for the time instead of the old bar or a countdown.
Cards take 2 hours to deal when people are all in.
Ridiculous animations when the stack sizes change.
Antes in HU SnGs.
If you put a green/red/yellow dot on somedoby by mistake, you can't "un-dot" him.
The whole screen is ugly.
No way to get rid of blackjack/sport bets on top left.

I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff, too, but as said, this is one hell of a Downgrade.

Does anybody know anything about Hollywood Poker?

I'm new in this room, using a mac and really hate the browser version. Couldn't believe that a poker software could be so crappy.
Support told me the new version should be out today, but nothing came...

Any update on that?

nice joke with the performance.... the performance is so ******* bad.....

i cant play 6 tables without a lag.... the software needs 500 mb ram with 6 tables without PT3....

this is the end for my athlon 64 3200+ and 1024 mb ram ....

still there is no preferred seat option.
i dont understand why they don't make this option.