That is not a critique but rather the description of a normal behaving start up in an industry that desperately needs innovation. And I wonder if its off topic for me to point out you can't really criticize coinpoker and leave out RIO since up until now CP seems to be superior in almost every way.

Thats quite the write up. I haven't heard or read of any of your team talking about decentralized poker in that manner and in regard to many of your points (or pretty much all of them). They seem to echo my sentiments which is as far as I have searched quite rare.

I think however it is fair to say that the title of this thread is not accurate which is exactly why you had to clarify. It might be okay on a poker forum since these aren't crypto enthusiasts primarily but imo the declaration would get ripped apart on a crypto forum (by those that come to you secondarily as poker players most especially).

Also you claim to have a mental poker implementation however as I understand and last read you were using a jury/justice pool with is not proven in any way to be able to work. So imo you really can't say that either.

These are important points for credibility sakes.

Lastly you claim to be the CEO. I didn't know there was someone that started this project/idea but it was rather a group. Are you anonymous? Would be nice to have your real name in your undertitle and if so I think that would help your credibility.

there doesn't seem to be a rebuy chips feature in cash games

also need a hand replay feature and a way to sit out next bb. software is suuuuper barebones, doesn't seem ready at all imo

I think you misunderstood me. So they took crypto investors for millions promising decentralized poker. then they failed miserably and after 3-4 years they decided to build an inferior in every aspect platform to CoinPoker that had all those features Virtue is having for at least 1 year already.
I mean it clearly looks they just want to keep some pretense they did something to avoid being sued.

But the discrepancy between what they promised investors and what they delivered is just ridiculous.
CoinPoker that has been on the market for quite a while is a superior solution in basically every manner.

ah yes i did misunderstand. if it makes you feel better I have an impression I have been plagiarized here so that is what my post said. I didn't learn of the investor funds or process (haven't caught up on it all) but im guessing much of the earned money went to buying ivey's endorsement.

there is no such thing as a decentralized poker site. Its an oxymoron.

ivey didn't endorse virtue poker. they just bought a small piece of his tournament action and gave it away

Re: my name, I'm Ryan https://virtue.poker/whoweare

Re: Mental Poker using Justices: We've been using the Justice since our private beta earlier this year successfully. Log-on and play and see it in action. The app currently uses them to report hands, and resolve the dropped player problem using Shamir Secret sharing.

Re: Using the term "decentralized" -- it's a fair point for crypto enthusiasts. The unfortunate truth is AML concerns are leading to almost every crypto company to employ KYC. Exchanges + other crypto companies such as FunFair and Gnosis have it in place. Eventually, I see KYC being replaced with user-owned identity in Web3, but for now, we are beholden to current antiquated standards.

He is one of our team pro's. We do the Piece of Ivey marketing campaign as a promotion for players.

Did I use the wrong language or are you mistaken? His name and picture is plastered all over the marketing.

So its absolutely not decentralized and the title of the thread claims it is. Thats shady.

And as for the Justices, as I understand its a form of POS which is WIDELY criticized by many of the top experts in the field of crypto and absolutely not proven empirically to be secure. It is an egregious claim to say you have a secure mental poker implementation because you have a small beta group network. A small beta network cannot test this kind of security and its shady to imply it can.

I'm all about trying something new. But your claims are not what you are providing. I want to know if you will step back from them and claim something more accurate.

I do recognize you now that you show your name. Iirc correctly your sentiments now are FAR more inline with mine than they are with yours in the past so I will be curious if you have been reading my work.

They are using https://funfair.io/ now, it seems. What is the cheapest way to get money on that fun wallet? Can one use any wallet to get money on that fun wallet, or just what the fun has as listed?

Is fun Binance Smart Chain supported? The fee would seem to be like 0.06 dollars then (with the cost of losing all the money if not supported) vs. 2 dollars with ETH ERC20 (or 4 dollars or euros if using my wallet just to get to Binance and then pay more to get further).

One can use e.g. MetaMask also, and I believe no Binance or other (but fun) needed in-between, that I doubt is needed anyway.

The complexities (time to spare) and the costs of all and the crypto (the highest point of the time and the day) stopped me going after this today.

Tested virtue some 100 hands a long time ago, and it probably will run on the side of other sites for me as the shuffle takes time and the amount of action isn't there yet.

I decided to give it a try today. Tried to send $20 of ETH as a small test transaction but it failed. They had me sending to a contract address, not an ETH address, which I found confusing. They also said I needed to set the gas limit but my Android ETH wallet didn't have that option. So my $20 is lost in the ether somewhere. I'll be stopping here and not pursuing this any further. I'm someone who has been trading and transferring various crypto for a few years and if I am having problems then how is the non-crypto enthusiast going to fare?

One other thing I didn't like, I tried to choose the screen name "DonaldTrump" when I signed up but I got a silly message saying they won't allow that screen name. I'm not really interested in playing on a soy-soaked left-wing safe space beta poker site so I think I will quietly excuse myself.

Hello, its mistergreen, and I have some difficult situation with Virtue poker. I want to share. I played at Virtue from November 2019, when their second beta test started. Players, who grinded there , was beta testers and could earn rewards for sending logs, bug reports and other errors of their software. I played two beta (all with free chips) - second beta and final beta, there was requirements: 1. Second beta - to play 25k hands + bug reports, and you must not lose bankroll to receive reward ETH+VPP (their token) 2. Final beta more difficult - higher reward included 2000 one table sng, when you started with 50 buy ins, also sending bug reports (very few players, only 12 did that, some of them did that with penalty). I did all that. It was not simple requirements for rewards, bugs included, when you can lose many buy-ins because error and didn’t give it back, or you sit outed, when other players can play. In total i played more 100k hands from November 19 until this moment (a year). I played more than any other player. Total reward that i should get is 40 000 + 100 000 vpp (0.15$ per token ico price or 4000 vpp = 1 ETH). My bad that i played from more than one account. I mean, It was not chipdump myself and no teamplay, and no other dirty things, where i have any advantage vs other players. After mistergreen i played on accounts of my friends. Their Security team know all that, and after their review of my games, i got email:

“Virtue Poker Security (Virtue Poker)
May 5, 14:44 PDT

Hi Eugene,
As you know, we conduct an in-depth Game Security review of all accounts before bonus payments are made. This is done to ensure that players are treated fairly and have complied with the rules of the Beta.

In our analysis of your account, we found that you have created more than one account, and have used these multiple accounts to attempt to earn multiple awards during our Beta program. You have also provided us with questionable, incorrect or fraudulent information about those accounts. These actions are violations of our Terms and Conditions and of the Beta rules.

We also recognize that you have played a huge volume of hands during the Beta, and have submitted bug reports and logs as requested. While it would be within the rules for us to disqualify you, we have chosen instead to pay the bonus you earned for this account (mistergreen). We have permanently closed the other accounts you have been using. No bonuses will be paid to those accounts.

It is our strong preference not to ban you from Virtue Poker, which would also result in your losing your Final Beta bonus. Please take this as our warning to you that we know what you have been doing, and we are watching your account carefully. Any future infractions will result in your permanent expulsion from Virtue Poker.

Sincerely,
Virtue Poker Security
Virtue Poker Support Team”

After that, I played at Virtue and all was ok, I never violate rules after that situation. I also got some payments for their micro promos (Bust a Host). All changed 5 November, after started their new promo for real money, I got email that they want to ban me and i will not receive my biggest part of reward (I already got ETH part for beta and should get bigger part of VPP tokens after promo ends, 6 Dec). On my questions "what reason?" and “what changed?” I didn’t get concrete answer. Only same information as before. I felt some helplessness and ignoring. After few tries to get dialogue, they told that will review my situation. Nothing changed after reviewing. Also I don’t understand what changed after first decision. All my arguments was completely ignored.

I agree that my bad is to play from more than 1 account, but why they changed decision after half of year, few weeks before token payments. I thought it was resolved question. I can’t find other reason, only to do not pay me for my work. By the way, I played not 25k but 40k+ in second beta, and over 2300 sng in final beta.

So, if I was already approved, why they want to review that after half of year? I did all same, as other players. And I can't find reason to do not pay me for all my work for a year. If they want to ban me right now, its not a reason to cancel all my past results, which was already approved by Security team. I think its not honestly to ignore all my work. Also I was counting on that money, and their moves kicked on much sides of my life.

And one more thing, the reason of testing promo was testing as itself. I did all that. And i completed all requirements without any advantage vs other players. If not, I think they couldn’t approve me earlier. So, I think their first decision was most honest, and i think they must to pay me full reward, as promised before, even more so it was already completed work, approved by Security team in past.

If they won't pay you money that is yours, and they don't respond to email, then your only recourse may be to contact the gaming authority for Virtue Poker. I believe they are regulated by the Malta Gaming Authority.

You have a communication record that shows you were forgiven for past transgressions so that should mean something IMO.

Saw that your beta is closed?
You really have to fix your problems

https://www.coindesk.com/consensys-p...mainnet-launch

Anyone been playing the beta? Looking forward to seeing how decentralised poker works out. Have some interesting block chains like solana now that are fast enough to record each action on chain…. But still nothing out there that I can find that is legit blockcJain decentralised poker.

This is NOT decentralized as as centralized as any other poker client out there, shame they pretend they are.

There is also rake and KYC, i mean, what in the actual f. decentralized and peer to peer? No. This is just a for profit company with shittier software than what's currently out there on the slightly more centralized sites.

Fortunately true p2p clients are in the making where one doesn't even have to create an account

Can you provide a list of such projects and what state of development they are in? Thanks

Hi all,

can anyone explain to me why i can't play on this site from the UK??? Also why is there no mention of this anywhere online and why is it that the first time i find out is after downloading the software!!!???

Obviously, they have no license at this point, or at any point as it is hard to get customers. No cash games, and the same complicated deposit process. (As I see it, one needs to create another wallet for crypto, something they accept, deposit from one's crypto wallet to that wallet and then money moves actively between that wallet and one's poker account, but what do I know; the direct deposits will disappear) as at CoinPoker (ex-TonyG software that's now supposed to be RNG random as it is open source -- not the only such) but that doesn't prove anything, though you have some input to it, still, doesn't prove anything, while at tracker supported sites I see how I do with all-ins in PLO by looking at the Races page -- in NLH it is mostly non-allins, how often the dominated hand wins -- and with non-all-ins to some degree) that's a more active crypto site, though practically no action at PLO4, as usual, but NLH and PLO5 until you are willing to build the tables (that are rake free at Rush and Cash tables at GG if they are short).

I did saw some other crypto site that had some PLO4 running (probably micro) and I guess a direct crypto deposit into your own account. The non-direct has the idea that they don't have control over your funds. But when the funds are segregated and the site is well licensed, it is possibly just the same; such a case is ******* (PPPoker etc. software, accepting more or less the whole world and the money is supposedly safe through many affis) but they accept mainly the free world and practically no PLO4 running (at KK) -- just PLO5 (might have a 2bb cap in PLO5, and a 40% affiliate RB, though you pay up to 70 dollars per month to get enough timebank, stats (house HUD), better disconnect protection. It is a vertical mobile that's unnatural and smallish), NLH (fast poker also), 3-S&G, All-in or fold etc.

Was you able to play on this thing from uk yet?

Is this thing off the ground yet. Mega disappointed with lack of decent decentralised poker options right now

Kind of sort of, they definitely had a free to play leaderboard contest over the last month that they are paying out today. I'm due $2K + balance + airdrop rewards today. They are starting the US payouts now.

Rake is way too high for the 1-2 max tables of traffic the platform currently sees. Many regulars and supporters have left over the years as Ryan started to show is true colours and in-capabilities delivering on promised aspects regarding development. The delays you will see on promotion pay outs are some of the worst in the industry as well.