Is anybody playing with some of the guys from the list? Are they still active?

They must have noticed this thread by now and I guess I would quit asap if I would be cheating.

Have ropecutter, StrangeRouge and ArKip89 sitting at my table on the $33 4K GTD Late Night Swordfish right now...

We appreciate the research done by OP and are taking this case very seriously as we do in regards to any suspected use of AI. The information you have provided has been escalated and these accounts are being thoroughly reviewed. While we do not share results of our investigations in relation to specific accounts publicly, we can assure you that upon findings, appropriate action will be taken.

Since you will be making no attempt to reveal the amount cheated from players and size of the bot ring involved, I don't see why players should play on your site. This is a chance for you to be transparent about the amount of money being taken out of poker by botting accounts but you have already said you won't be releasing the investigation results?

We are all aware of various data regulations but this does not preclude the release of information concerning the funds stolen from players on your site by bots.

This case is especially important now that some very respected regulars are sounding the alarm not only for cash games, but also for MTTs on your site, which is a bit of a new development.

Just to bring a little perspective to this, we're talking about 3 or 4 people coming down on OP.

Otherwise, I agree.

if botters are already willing to take on 20-30$ abi donkaments, i dont even want to know the competition among botters /rta for MSNL cashgames

sickening


oh and 888 cashgames are also full of bots.
especially on the low-midstakes cashgames.
i personally stopped playing there due to high rake and the endless army of new eastern euro accounts destroying the games.

I understand that you're the rep for the forum and not final decision maker, but you need to tell those decision makers that transparency is critical here.

The money the bots would have won belongs to the players NOT 888. Banning and seizing cheater's accounts without reparation to the players they stole the money from, with proof of how much is not a good look. It actually will bree great discontent and, as you know, its discussion on social media will explode. That is very bad marketing for a company to take the approach of secrecy in this regard.

All funds confiscated from accounts banned for using AI are returned to players

Dear 888support: With this sentence, do you mean the money have already been returned to the victims or do you mean over time the money will be returned to the players who got affected?

Thanks!

This is crazy I reg the 888 comps and know most of these players by username. Wow if this is true.

https://ibb.co/NScxjL7 1.bob_marley 2. dolphinphili.3. maninice. 4. scrachcher. 5. apiskeeper. 6. aslicktype 7. diabolik1014 8. thunderbirth. 9. secretplayer

one way of playing, identical stats ... they didn’t play one MTT or blast ... they play the same sng net for 5-10 dollars ... they appeared almost at the same time ... they don’t respond to chat messages ... 2 Georgians, 1 England, 6 Russians ...

Okay so basically these players are using another computer when playing on their main computer and basically it tells them by default what to do such as how much to bet or raise or to check/fold/raise etc? They can't be doing this on the same computer right?



What is the name of this program that these players use? Also wouldn't this mean they have to input their stacks and all the other information which takes a bit before they act though? So this is basically real time assistance then? So these players are basically like told by the program do this etc... like imagine someone was watching them play and giving them every single instruction? If so, why does 888 not catch on to this as oppose to other sites that probably can?

Screen scraping

solid work op

I wanted to play on 888,but reading that thread and see it's infested with bots and decided to skip.But it seems pokerstars do nothing about bots.Just look at this player's stats for all the previous years..Is this normal?There are a lot like this one,but i never seen a profit graph like this
https://pokerprolabs.com/senia138/pokerstars/2020/any

I grind sngs on 888 almost daily, so I know almost all of the above.

Never really payed attention to this, but damn this is actually insane.
Ive played with Mucksh1fter and dolphinphili today so I looked at their stats and theyre pretty much the same.
3,6k games played with dolphinphili and 2,8k with Mucksh1fter. They both play pretty much 35/28/10. All other stats are almost the same too.

I grind these pretty much on a daily and am wondering how much EV they "stole" from me.

When I play SNGs on Ignition, have only the stats for that session. SNGs are different from cash games and MTTs, so those stats are not out of the realm, in fact, they are kind of usual. I tend to have those stats once the field starts to narrow. ICM requires more calls or shoves as the stacks shrink.

Now, if they are playing the same table together, but are one person, that is another story. But, there is not much profit to be had, unless both end up in the top 3.

Just my opinion.

The profit here comes from cash games and mtts.

Im not necessarily accusing them of being bots, since im not 100% sure.
But after that post from that other guy I looked them up and they really do have identical stats which is quite a coincident.

Also I dont believe theres many people with identical stats, even though I do agree the stats are def not out of the realm.

Think about coaches with many students. They will teach the same method, vs an individualized approach. You may be surprised that the stats are very similar for the students. NOW, that does not mean they rise to the level of bot stats, but similar stats are not sign of collusion. Better is to see all the hole cards (as in ignition), and someone folds AKo on the button to AA in the blinds. They did not even make a bet, nor time out. They just folded. These are the signs of collusion. You need those cards, hard to get.

Of course, I also coach people to play pretty much the same way. But not my point.

Point is that guy posted some names and they have very odd and similar stats indeed.

For what it's worth, I usually reg the $55 early Monsoon, most players I see on this list were not there yesterday and the GTD was also down by $500 (Usually $4k, yesterday it was $3500). Not sure if they have been banned or saw this thread and stopped playing?

Furthermore, "Malygos1987" was at my table, I messaged in the chat with a link to this thread to no response. He busted out shortly after without rebuying early in the tourney.

EDIT: $3,000*** was the new GTD last night not $3500.

Looking like tonight's is also $3,000.

Really dude?

actually no, in stable im in we have excel spreadsheet regularly updated with everyone stats breakdowns and although we all have same coaching and resources all of our stats are different....because we arent using ai to make our decisions for us

This is how seriously your team takes this issue:

DanM

Is that in answer to your question/allegation about devices being able to read other players' pocket cards, or your own pocket cards, during a hand? It sounds like you may have said, or they have interpreted it as, they can read other players' pocket cards during a hand, which is, of course, impossible. Obviously it would be pointless, nay, ridiculous, for anyone to use AI that can't read their own pocket cards, so that would not be a concern.