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11-10-2008 , 07:18 PM
Online poker has definitely not helped the economy. Does anybody here have any idea how many dollars it has sucked out these past few years? Me personally, probably 20k. Now imagine that times 10 million. Does anybody have any idea how much is raked out before people withdraw? No, nobody does, because they don't want you to know. I'd bet you it is 60% at least. So while I love to play the game, I have to admit it has probably done alot of harm in the big scheme of things. Kind of like food chain economics, the smallest fish are broke, eventually everyone is broke. Kind of hard for me to put that one into words, but hopefully you get the picture. I know some here have gotten rich, but seriously, think about all the money that is zapped away to nowhere, I think it has played a part in our economic collapse. Your Thoughts?
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11-10-2008 , 07:23 PM
Mason was good enough to allow Mat to put up a forum-wide announcement about this at some mods' request. It links to a Legislation thread about this, and can be seen at the top of all the forums.

Announcement: US Moves To Implement Rules Banning Most Internet Gambling?
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11-10-2008 , 07:30 PM
I left a message on the website.

And to "thesuitor". . . part of living in what is supposed to be a free country is giving people choice over their personal life. Yes people have gambling problems, but is it really the place of the government to stop those people? My dad has an eating problem and for the most part its destroyed his life, does that mean we should ban restraunts (thats where his problem started). When does it stop? for every person that has a problem are we as a country supposed to remove that freedom for everyone else? How about the internet in general? There are many documented cases of peoples life being ruined by world wide web, do we then need to get rid of it to save a few people?
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11-10-2008 , 07:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSuitor
I know some here have gotten rich, but seriously, think about all the money that is zapped away to nowhere, I think it has played a part in our economic collapse. Your Thoughts?
Zero possibility, the combined sum of all online poker money lost/raked isn't even a 1/1000th of a drop in the bucket in relation to our economic woes.

More importantly though, even if it was the case...it is still not our governments role to decide what we should be able to do with the money that we earn.
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11-10-2008 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by LeapFrog
xposted from legislation. Please, take a few minutes and sign up for digg. The more exposure the better.
Signed up and 'dugg' the story. Painless
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11-10-2008 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by joshrocker
I left a message on the website.

And to "thesuitor". . . part of living in what is supposed to be a free country is giving people choice over their personal life. Yes people have gambling problems, but is it really the place of the government to stop those people? My dad has an eating problem and for the most part its destroyed his life, does that mean we should ban restraunts (thats where his problem started). When does it stop? for every person that has a problem are we as a country supposed to remove that freedom for everyone else? How about the internet in general? There are many documented cases of peoples life being ruined by world wide web, do we then need to get rid of it to save a few people?
No, I don't think they should ban it. However, I do think as part of regulatino they should require people to submit earnings info to the poker sites. They should cap the amount you are able to deposit based on this. I know it wouldn't stop all people from being degens, but It would stop alot from spending too much. But my original point is that as the economy gets worse and worse, I dont see how a hundred thousand people trashing their bank accounts with the click of a mouse can help our situation.
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11-10-2008 , 07:44 PM
Dugg, called and sent the Fed. form.
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11-10-2008 , 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Mason was good enough to allow Mat to put up a forum-wide announcement about this at some mods' request. It links to a Legislation thread about this, and can be seen at the top of all the forums.

Announcement: US Moves To Implement Rules Banning Most Internet Gambling?

This was good to see...Glad to hear the Mods were active...Wish he would've linked to the "action thread" to make the calls and e-mail...
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11-10-2008 , 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by KEW
This was good to see...Glad to hear the Mods were active...Wish he would've linked to the "action thread" to make the calls and e-mail...
Would that be this one?

Let's all call the Fed to tell them to hold off on the UIGEA regs

I've made the suggestion.
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11-10-2008 , 07:52 PM
$1k says calling and emailing wont stop them, anyone want to take the bet?
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11-10-2008 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by KEW
This was good to see...Glad to hear the Mods were active...Wish he would've linked to the "action thread" to make the calls and e-mail...
It's been added.

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Originally Posted by TheSuitor
$1k says calling and emailing wont stop them, anyone want to take the bet?
Your contribution to this thread is greatly appreciated.
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11-10-2008 , 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by mynamespat
I highly doubt the US goverment would completely ban online gambling. The United States has millions of people who play online poker on a regular to semiregular basis. Everyone in the world wants to play against US players. Look at the # of entrants from other countries that come to play to at the WSOP main event every year.


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it would be ironic if the United States were to ban Texas Holdem.
US isn't banning poker as played in various corporate casinos across the nation, they are banning online poker as played over the internet through non US corporations, ducy?
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11-10-2008 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
Would that be this one?

Let's all call the Fed to tell them to hold off on the UIGEA regs

I've made the suggestion.

Thank you
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11-10-2008 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSuitor
$1k says calling and emailing wont stop them, anyone want to take the bet?
I call this a troll post.

Dug and done. We just want to be heard people.
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11-10-2008 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Get It Right
I call this a troll post.

Dug and done. We just want to be heard people.
How is that a troll post ? It's a legit point.
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11-10-2008 , 08:17 PM
I dug and emailed. Will messaging these people do anything? Arent these the people trying to push this regardless of what we say? Shouldnt we message whoever votes on this? Who votes on this?
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11-10-2008 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by mynamespat
I highly doubt the US goverment would completely ban online gambling. The United States has millions of people who play online poker on a regular to semiregular basis. Everyone in the world wants to play against US players. Look at the # of entrants from other countries that come to play to at the WSOP main event every year.


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it would be ironic if the United States were to ban Texas Holdem.
don't be ignorant!!

w is a pole smoking asswipe. this is possible end of the world s*it
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11-10-2008 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSuitor
How is that a troll post ? It's a legit point.
pointing out that the government typically doesn't give a **** about its citizens and does whatever it wants, is not some great point. Yes the government is bull****, and cares very little what we think, but this doesn't mean we should give up and never fight. At the very least calling/writing and other protesting is about principal, if you do and say nothing as the government bulldozes more and more rights, then you are just a sheep.
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11-10-2008 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by VarianceMinefield
I dug and emailed. Will messaging these people do anything? Arent these the people trying to push this regardless of what we say? Shouldnt we message whoever votes on this? Who votes on this?

UIGEA is already a LAW...

The FED is our last chance to stop or effect the Regs from being implemented...The Fed and the Treasury both must sign off on the Reg before they can be implemented...The Fed represents the banks...Fed officials are not elected....
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11-10-2008 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KEW
Adding link..

Several callers are being directed to leave message at this website...Address message to the Board...Make your voice heard..Take only a minute...

http://www.federalreserve.gov/feedback.cfm
Sent an email... Everyone should do the same.
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11-10-2008 , 08:32 PM
sent.
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11-10-2008 , 08:48 PM
also maybe we should message people who work for Obama or anyone we can to make sure they know about this? So if it does pass barack can handle it asap?
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11-10-2008 , 08:57 PM
Im really confused. Haven't the banks already cut off all funding to gambling sites? I haven't been able to use my cards for years. What exactly is going to change if this gets implemented?

Last edited by popeye18; 11-10-2008 at 09:02 PM.
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11-10-2008 , 08:59 PM
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Im really confused. Haven't the banks already cut off all funding to gambling sites? I haven't been able to sue my cards for years. What exactly is going to change if this gets implemented?
Read the legislation threads for more info. The final regulations haven't been released yet so it is difficult to speculate.
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11-10-2008 , 09:20 PM
I created an email template you can send to friends or family that might not be familiar with the legislation or online gambling:

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The Bush Administration attached anti-gaming legislation to a port security bill two years ago. Knowing that the next administration won't uphold some of the policies to come out of his years in office, Bush is moving to enforce UIGEA and stop banks from allowing debit/credit card deposits to online poker sites.

It's my belief that individuals should decide for themselves what to do with their money. There exist gambling addicts, alcoholics and shopaholics; but that doesn't necessitate the outlaw of poker, beer and shopping at the expense of millions of responsible individuals.

Even if you don't agree, the irony of this "anti-gambling" legislation is that it exempts almost all forms of online gambling like horse racing, fantasy sports and even interstate lotteries. The only winners in this bill are brick and mortar casinos that would otherwise lose customers to the convenience of online gaming; the losers are millions of people who want to play from home.

The Federal Reserve has to approve the UIGEA's measures before they are enforced. If you disagree with the bill's implementation I urge you to submit a feedback form on the Fed's site: http://www.federalreserve.gov/genera...date=20071001a

which takes about 30 seconds. They also have a number to call to voice your opinion: 888-851-1920.

Feel free to use the following body:

The federal agencies responsible for our nation’s economy should not be focused on Internet poker regulations, but instead should be focused on helping restore the health of our financial systems and economy. Finalization of the UIGEA rules will add additional burdens on our already crippled financial systems.

Additionally, internet poker is a game of skill and form of recreation for millions of Americans; it should be exempted from the UIGEA. Please do not finalize the UIGEA regulations until their impact on our banking systems and average citizens is understood better.

Such regulations should fall on individual State Government control. Federal mandates should not be applied where States should have regulatory power.
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