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04-13-2017 , 06:47 AM
Why does Blaze never run other than 2nl? Weird...
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04-13-2017 , 07:36 AM
Is it deliberate that I can't sit out at the next BB? They've added the change that everybody is forced to post blinds automatically now, but how do you leave a table without having to time ticking the 'sitout' box before the BB hits you again? It's a bit annoying if the person in-front of you decides to sit out and you have to play another round because of it.
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04-13-2017 , 07:40 AM
Hi, I play NL50-NL100 regularly on Microgaming. The changes super suck indeed. However from what Ive seen in last couple of days and weeks the games became a lot worse. Almost no fishes, full of regs and also I feel that the reg level became significantly higher (maybe cuz Stars regs came over?). Is there anybody who can confirm my observations?
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04-13-2017 , 07:44 AM
I can kinda understand why they got rid of the hand histories on anonymous tables as they have been advertised as such but it hasn't been the truth. That said, I used to play 50/50 anon/regular and will never ever again try to start anon tables again. Not been able to follow even your results is just too much. Happy to see that there wasn't any anonymous tables running on my stake (NL100) today.

What I don't understand is why they had to sabotage the hand histories on normal tables. Been able to change your nick basically when ever you want to has already made datamining irrelevant and made HUDs much less important. All they have done now is make it impossible to use HEM/PT to analyze your own game. Not even knowing your bb/100 for absolutely no reason is just ****ing stupid and I might change network due to these changes in the near future.
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04-13-2017 , 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JimmySutsuki
I can kinda understand why they got rid of the hand histories on anonymous tables as they have been advertised as such but it hasn't been the truth. That said, I used to play 50/50 anon/regular and will never ever again try to start anon tables again. Not been able to follow even your results is just too much. Happy to see that there wasn't any anonymous tables running on my stake (NL100) today.

What I don't understand is why they had to sabotage the hand histories on normal tables. Been able to change your nick basically when ever you want to has already made datamining irrelevant and made HUDs much less important. All they have done now is make it impossible to use HEM/PT to analyze your own game. Not even knowing your bb/100 for absolutely no reason is just ****ing stupid and I might change network due to these changes in the near future.
Being able to change your SN didn't make data-mining irrelevant, as there are still a lot of players that don't change their SN, in particular recreational players, which is who the change is intending to protect.

I don't quite follow why HM no longer works to track your own game. Maybe there is something I'm missing, but if you put any sort of money into the pot (I'm assuming including posted blinds), it should be tracked by HM.
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04-13-2017 , 09:32 AM
So if I sit out I will still post blinds? But if I close the table I wont?
How is this going to help?

Great, in a few weeks there are going to be illegal converter and youll either use those or will get cheated
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04-13-2017 , 10:03 AM
And even when you change the screenname the notes other players have on you sticks. So you can make a note like 'this is johnyboy'. Then he changes alias to stevie but when you check the note it says 'this is johnyboy' and you can create alias in your tracker and you have stats against that player.
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04-13-2017 , 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DSQ2
Hi, I play NL50-NL100 regularly on Microgaming. The changes super suck indeed. However from what Ive seen in last couple of days and weeks the games became a lot worse. Almost no fishes, full of regs and also I feel that the reg level became significantly higher (maybe cuz Stars regs came over?). Is there anybody who can confirm my observations?
I play PLO20-PLO200 and yes - games became a lot worse. Even PLO20 is very often 5-6/6 regs, rarely anyone with VPIP over 28-30. Actually PLO100 & PLO200 games are juicer (less regulars per table) but they don't run all the time...

I would guess it's because of Stars regulars, 24hbet exodus from MPN, another markets leaving the pool, and spring.
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04-13-2017 , 02:02 PM
The 'autopost BB/ sitout' change is so dumb. It has changed nothing other than make it really reallllly realllllllllly annoying when you want to leave the table. All these changes and they couldn't even fix the one thing that actually needed changing; the 'seat reserved' problem which causes tables to get blocked by scripts.

and this too...

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Originally Posted by gkn
Let's BLOCK ANON TABLES. I advise any regular playing Microgaming now to just never start anonymous tables at all and try to have all the action at the regular ones. This will be a conscious decision for the common good. It's the least we can do. Let them die out like their Blaze Poker tab.
If you start anon tables, you're a masochist.
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04-13-2017 , 11:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NINzent
So if I sit out I will still post blinds? But if I close the table I wont?
How is this going to help?

Great, in a few weeks there are going to be illegal converter and youll either use those or will get cheated
I actually emailed Alex Scott about this, and I encourage you to do so too, if you feel the same way. His email is *email removed*. He basically made it sound as though they have everything handled, but I told him that people will use converters to circumvent the new MPN changes, and those respecting the rules are the only ones who will suffer..

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04-14-2017 , 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by DSQ2
Hi, I play NL50-NL100 regularly on Microgaming. The changes super suck indeed. However from what Ive seen in last couple of days and weeks the games became a lot worse. Almost no fishes, full of regs and also I feel that the reg level became significantly higher (maybe cuz Stars regs came over?). Is there anybody who can confirm my observations?
See, MPN, you shot yourself in the foot with this. It is the fish who have suddenly gone, not the regs.
No fish=No flop=No rake.

Post that email template, so that people could send it.
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04-15-2017 , 03:13 PM
today mt stats looked really ******ed.. i was playing %45 vip and 96BB/100 .

how the hell i can analiyze my own gameplay. the stas are ****ing wrong.. and i did not see how many hand i ACTUALY played for real ... c.mon.. ****ing bul****..
if i fold. my stas won't saved.. what happens if i fold jj,, AQ .. i will not see that in database... quess what buddy.. i realy ****ing know .if i fold JJ> AQ. why i fold it.. i want to see that for sure..
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04-16-2017 , 06:11 AM
ye looks im dumping mpn as well since i cant track my results just stupid move.
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04-16-2017 , 12:27 PM
Now there are more, or less fishes than before?
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04-16-2017 , 02:27 PM
Sunday night and zero nl200-400 running for the last 2 hours

Edit. non-Anon tables
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04-16-2017 , 02:52 PM
with all this uproar, and mpn messing with tracking software, my question is why are some people saying that there are no fish? Shouldnt such a move cause the regs to stop playing on mpn therefore increasing the concentration of fish on the site?
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04-16-2017 , 03:14 PM
anyone know how long it takes to cash out poker loco to neteller? been a few days already
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04-16-2017 , 07:17 PM
I emailed Alex about the issues, guess I can post it here if anyone wants inspiration/template-ish for their own email. Not that well written, i'm swedish, it's the middle of the night, etc etc, so whatever! But here it goes:

Hello!

My name is Oscar xxxxx, you have probably not heard of me, but I had a blog on twoplustwo with almost a million views (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/17...35/?highlight=), and one with almost as many views on a swedish poker forum. I have also worked for both pokerstrategy.com in gibraltar and pokervip. But first and foremost I have been a professional poker player for 6-7 years, and the last 4 i've played on microgaming, and I've truly enjoyed my time there. I can of course verify if you would like proof.

These new changes to microgaming are bad, like really bad. I'm not saying this from a selfish point that it will hurt by bottom line, I understand that you want to please the fish and I realize it's in the best interest of everyone. But some of the changes really make no sense, they have no positive effects, and only make the game a lot more suffer. The new sit-out system truly makes no sense. Why can't you implement a "sit out next big blind" like all other sites out there, instead of having just a "sit out" button like you did now. It adds no positive effects and irritates everyone, yes including the fish. Second of all, removing hand histories for hands i'm not involved in also makes no sense. I can no longer accurately see my bb/100 on microgaming, and it's no longer possible to analyze any hands of my opponents. I assume you do this to get rid of data-miners, but the implementation is way out of proportion. It will not have much in the way of positive effects, and will mainly just function to annoy 95% of the player pool. It cannot possibly be a good decision.

Thirdly, you have completely removed Hand Histories for Anonymous tables, I assume because you want to remove the ability to get a HUD. I understand, and I stand behind the decision to get rid of HUDs for anonymous tables, as they take away some of the anonymity aspect of it. However removing HHs all together seems excessive and just makes it such that I can no longer track my winnings on anonymous tables (or watch replay of hands). This is of course a big deal, and once again the solution seems out of proportion with the problem. It's not going to make the fish last longer, deposit more or enjoy the game more. The problem is not HUDs, it's that the skill gap between recreational players and pros is huge, a function of the time passed since the poker boom.

I understand the direction you want to go, but the measures seem excessive, out of proportion and flat out not thought through. I am already playing on a bunch of other sites at the same time (888, which is really good btw, Ipoker, Party, etc), and I'm afraid Microgaming can no longer be a part of that pool. It's not an empty threat, believe me I wish nothing more to keep playing on Microgaming, but with the new changes I do not see how it is possible. Please, there is still time to reverse these changes. There are real issues that need to be addressed, such as seating scrips and people sitting out on 6max tables constantly, but much of microgaming is good already. Please talk to us, I truly believe we the pros and microgaming want the same thing for your poker division, a thriving, sustainable ecosystem, and we have actual good suggestions. But this is a step in the wrong direction.

Best Regards,

Oscar
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04-16-2017 , 07:32 PM
Alex Scott usually makes changes if it costs Microgaming money and the traffic has decreased since he's introduced it, I'm sure Pokertracker 4 getting rid of all cash game support for microgaming won't help them either. PT4 did it on the grounds of you'll get wrong stats on your opponents, which is true because you'll only get the stats relative to where you are in the blinds. Ie: only get villains CO + BTN stats for example.
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04-16-2017 , 07:35 PM
Thanks Oscar, this could be useful.
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04-16-2017 , 08:13 PM
Hey Oscar could you post his email address. I wish to email him too. I tried the one posted early in this thread and it wont send for some reason.
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04-16-2017 , 08:28 PM
Oh I just tried the one posted, work@alexscott.eu. Didn't bounce for me :O Thanks Davis.
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04-17-2017 , 04:22 AM
The auto post blind thing is pretty damn annoying :S

So hands where I fold pre are not imported to PT4 anymore?

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04-17-2017 , 05:33 AM
I've sent an email based on Oscar's template. Join in.
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04-18-2017 , 04:31 AM
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Second of all, removing hand histories for hands i'm not involved in also makes no sense. I can no longer accurately see my bb/100 on microgaming[/I]
I thought they changed this decision? Latest update from MPN on the blog says they would instead save stripped hand history that shows you folding, so your bb/100 and stats like VPIP/PFR are still valid. (postflop action still not shown so you can't see opponent play if you don't vpip).

They said they were doing this to address this player concern specifically. Maybe the trackers need to update to handle this truncated HH format?
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