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02-14-2014 , 01:52 PM
Turns out that a number of these banned accounts were involved in some mischief. I believe details will follow shortly. Makes me feel better about this recent bout of jive talk

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Kahn
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02-14-2014 , 03:22 PM
Check your emails, I just received a free $10 from Fullflush. Too bad, I got rid of my account for s 5 dimes one
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02-14-2014 , 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
Turns out that a number of these banned accounts were involved in some mischief. I believe details will follow shortly. Makes me feel better about this recent bout of jive talk

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Kahn
This doesn't surprise me haha. The person who was writing about being an honest player and following the TOS, they sure have a history of account suspensions.
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02-14-2014 , 06:34 PM
Dear Sandy, has the network brass considered adding bitcoin deposit and withdrawals ? No processing costs involved.
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02-14-2014 , 08:29 PM
i dont want to show my location where i come from at the tabels,like other players do(they show:does not want to share details).

support(ffp) say,thats not possible.

at what site at EPN it is possible ?
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02-14-2014 , 09:11 PM
The following official statement has been released by the Equity Poker Network
in regards to the recent closure of several accounts.

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The EquityPokerNetwork.com (“EPN”) today confirmed that some quick action, diligence, and professionalism from its Security and Fraud Department have stopped a collusion ring in its tracks. In the interests of transparency, the management team has informed all Network Operators that recent fraudulent activity has been identified, fully investigated, and subsequently shut down.
http://www.equitypokernetwork.com/Eq...and-with-Fraud

Please note that it is network wide policy to not discuss security related matters in public and therefore I will be unable to further elaborate in this matter.. Players that seek additional information are asked to contact customer support of their operator.

@Lotje,
Bitcoin processing has been discussed with the network but there is no information on any concrete plans to offer bitcoins as a processing option in the near future.

@kanuma,
Hiding your location is not possible any more. It's an option that was available during account registration back in November 2013 and has since been removed.

Last edited by SandyTaylor; 02-14-2014 at 09:22 PM.
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02-14-2014 , 10:21 PM
Paging Steel-O, what say you?
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02-14-2014 , 10:57 PM
What's the story on rakeback? best skin?
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02-15-2014 , 01:32 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkoPolo
Paging Steel-O, what say you?
Regarding my case, they stole my money. I haven't done anything illegal. I'm not in touch with any of the other players. I have no idea why they were banned so can't comment on that.

This is an email from one of the major rakeback affiliates:

Hi XX – Yes, EPN is been honing in on fraudulent activity, i.e. IP matches (players logging in from the same location/computer, chip dumping, etc.). What EPN was doing, if they'd a shred of doubt about fraudulent behavior, is seizing RB and player balances (keeping all funds associated w/ accounts). In the case of FullFlushPoker, they've rectified the situation involving our players. Balances have (now) been returned to the players/props that were suspected to be engaged in the fraudulent activities. We did momentarily close off FullFlushPoker prop sign-ups, but since, have turned prop sign-ups back on (since FullFlushPoker resolved the issues). We'll def. be diligent moving ahead w/ FullFlushPoker. We were very much alerted because the props that were accused, we're long standing/good props. So yeah, if you don't trust EPN, then we'd def. advise to move elsewhere.
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02-15-2014 , 01:50 AM
Interesting, and as much as a nice press release looks great and is awesome window dressing, it proves nothing.

Steel-O, can you post the hand histories they sent in connection with you case? Or maybe Kahn or Sandy can post them?
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02-15-2014 , 02:07 AM
They didn't send me ****. They told me my account was banned and confiscated my money. I asked them for some kind of evidence or any other information and they haven't responded ever since. ..
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02-15-2014 , 02:15 AM
I must say, I'd don't know Steel from Adam, and it's entirely possible he's a colluding scum.

However, having a profiteer (which he outed himself in this thread as), Kahn. Also a known operator, Sandy, coming in and posting a simple press release and telling us everything is fine; I'd suggest a bit of caution.
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02-15-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by MarkoPolo
I must say, I'd don't know Steel from Adam, and it's entirely possible he's a colluding scum.

However, having a profiteer (which he outed himself in this thread as), Kahn. Also a known operator, Sandy, coming in and posting a simple press release and telling us everything is fine; I'd suggest a bit of caution.

News flash sir, this is a forum for poker players who want to make money playing on poker sites... so yea, I'm a profiteer!

P.S. I've not made a dime off of EPN, but thanks for trolling.


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Originally Posted by Steel-O
They didn't send me ****. They told me my account was banned and confiscated my money. I asked them for some kind of evidence or any other information and they haven't responded ever since. ..

Security departments industry wide virtually never disclose evidence to people they've found cheating. The reason for this, is that it would help the cheaters to avoid detection in the future.


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02-15-2014 , 03:40 PM
Actually security departments commonly ask accused players what association they have with certain other players and ask why they played particular hands the way they did. I feel that the measure of the quality of security isn't how many bad guys are tossed from a site but how few innocent players have been thrown off. It's especially important to give an accused player who is denying his involvement a chance to expain himself when confiscation of funds are concerned.

I don't think that Steel-O did himself any favors by accusing the site of theft or by making it personal against the CEO but I've so far seen nothing that convinces me that he's a cheat.
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02-15-2014 , 04:15 PM
That person's post history shows multiple account suspensions.. but it must be one big conspiracy. Clive Archer and other poker sites are banning him at random, they are out to get him I tell you.
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02-15-2014 , 04:55 PM
I could find 2 suspensions, neither of which seems like a big deal. The Winning Poker suspension was part of a huge amount of suspensions the site did that was resolved by players verifying their accounts. The PokerStars suspension seemed to be the result of him playing for a time while he was in the US. Cheating doesn't seem to be involved in any of that.
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02-15-2014 , 04:58 PM
I would like to know the handles whose rolls were yanked to see if I played against them
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02-15-2014 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
News flash sir, this is a forum for poker players who want to make money playing on poker sites... so yea, I'm a profiteer!

P.S. I've not made a dime off of EPN, but thanks for trolling.





Security departments industry wide virtually never disclose evidence to people they've found cheating. The reason for this, is that it would help the cheaters to avoid detection in the future.


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Kahn
News flash for you good sir, you'd like to make money with EPN, but not by playing poker. I think we can all see the difference between doing business and playing for profit. Yet I'm a troll for pointing out why that any info you come here with, may possibly, need to be taken with a grain of salt?

Hopefully this can get sorted out and is just and isolated incident.
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02-15-2014 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by LookBehindYou
Check your emails, I just received a free $10 from Fullflush. Too bad, I got rid of my account for s 5 dimes one
It's always so embarrassing when I get a Valentines' present but haven't gotten anything to reciprocate.
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02-16-2014 , 01:43 AM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
I could find 2 suspensions, neither of which seems like a big deal. The Winning Poker suspension was part of a huge amount of suspensions the site did that was resolved by players verifying their accounts. The PokerStars suspension seemed to be the result of him playing for a time while he was in the US. Cheating doesn't seem to be involved in any of that.
Are you guys talking about me, I am not sure? My Stars account got frozen indeed because I played hands while being in the US.

What's the Winning poker story?
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02-16-2014 , 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
I don't think that Steel-O did himself any favors by accusing the site of theft or by making it personal against the CEO but I've so far seen nothing that convinces me that he's a cheat.
I understand your comment. It just feels really bad when a poker network accuses you of something you haven't done, always being so aware not to do anything close to being illegal.

And then they basically steal all your money. Then when you ask what you did wrong and what evidence they have they stop responding. It's a decent chunk of money as well. Everything combined feels very unfair.
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02-16-2014 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Steel-O
What's the Winning poker story?
Actually it was Winner Poker. A lot of people in a thread last summer said that their accounts were locked until they verified them. You made a short post saying that yours had also been locked. As I said, it didn't seem like a big deal.
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02-16-2014 , 04:02 AM
Yeah not sure what Lotje is trying to accomplish. Both my Stars and Winner account are active and not suspended at all.
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02-16-2014 , 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by MarkoPolo
I must say, I'd don't know Steel from Adam, and it's entirely possible he's a colluding scum.

However, having a profiteer (which he outed himself in this thread as), Kahn. Also a known operator, Sandy, coming in and posting a simple press release and telling us everything is fine; I'd suggest a bit of caution.
The press release was posted by us (Integer) on behalf of the network and therefore only the network can further elaborate on the actual case and the players involved. The networks security team has shown outstanding professionalism in dealing with this matter. We have received a full internal report on the situation and stand behind the network on how the incident has been handled.

Players who feel that they might have fallen victim to collusion are advised to contact their skins customer support. Please do understand that I am unable to answer questions of players that are not part of our pool.

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Originally Posted by SantaCruz
Actually security departments commonly ask accused players what association they have with certain other players and ask why they played particular hands the way they did...
You're right SantaCruz. We operate on the same principle and industry standards most sites (networks) do. The integrity and security of our games are of up-most importance to us. Our policy is however to not share or discuss security related matters in public.

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...I feel that the measure of the quality of security isn't how many bad guys are tossed from a site but how few innocent players have been thrown off. It's especially important to give an accused player who is denying his involvement a chance to expain himself when confiscation of funds are concerned...
I agree again. The appropriate way to do so is to contact your (the players) customer support department. Only the Operator that "owns" the customer will be able to assist them or raise the players case with the network. This forum is the wrong place since the majority of Operators on EPN does not participate on this board or in this thread.

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Originally Posted by mightytiny
I would like to know the handles whose rolls were yanked to see if I played against them
Please contact customer support.
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02-16-2014 , 06:04 PM
Then have the title of the thread changed from Equity Poker Network to whatever site that this person represents. As for me, I am done playing on the site. I can get no answers.

GL all whom decide to play on it
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