Why would lieing about any extremely high limit stakes the op was playing and/or chip dumping at make any difference whatsoever. Subtle hint, it does not.

Reasonable explanations...thank you!

Gawd

We should probably remain on topic here...it isn't productive with all the back and forth and only detracts from what is important.

Has BOL been back in contact with you at all? Have you been able to call again and get any sort of response as to what the status of you getting the HH's are? At this point you might as well just share every last bit of information, email exchanges, ect that you have had. I am seriously doubting waiting is doing anything at this point but giving them more time to ignore your requests which it appears is their strategy, ignore it long enough until it just goes away.

Suffer can you please stop derailing my thread. You made your points can we move on now ...

Excuse me, he's posted more than enough info in an organized manner to raise serious suspicions of this site. I'd say his scam thread is better presented than 99% of the ones that are posted here. You sir need to stop cluttering the thread over symantics, and mundane details. OP is being extremely reasonable, and really doesn't need to answer to you. If your true goal is to find out the truth, I would sit back and read this thread for further updates as everything will be revealed in time.

Yes I have been communicating via email recently so I have all the evidence. If sports book review (SBR) does not get back to me like I said before, I will be releasing everything in this thread (all transcripts of chat/emails).

The only reason there are serious suspicions against BetOnline is because we are only getting one side of the story! And not even a complete one. I've sat back and waited for further updates on every other thread regarding BetOnline and NOTHING has been revealed over any amount of time. These are serious allegations being made over and over again on 2+2 that affect a lot more people than just the OP and I for one am sick of being told by the likes of you to sit back and be quiet about them. If you don't like my questions or opinions, don't read them, use mute or put a complaint in to a mod. In the meantime, it would be useful to see ALL the evidence the OP is claiming to have instead of just the snippits he wants us to see. He is the one who made the decision to post multiple threads over the internet. So don't be upset with me because I'm asking for full disclosure.

wow so sik, i cant believe they still have not finished your audit. hopefully things work out for the better

You're not asking for full disclosure though. So far the only complaint I've seen you post was that OP uses the 2+2 standard "1000NL" instead of the site standard "$5/$10 No Limit" and you trying to say he was making everything up based on that.

I'm usually one of the first to jump onto people accused of chip dumping, because most of the time they make a vague first post, then post an email from support saying "Player X made weird plays against you, here are the hands proving it" and the thread is over with.

In this one, we have a dude accused of being involved in chip dumping, and an email from support saying there are "to[sic] many hands" to send to him, and now it's been a few days and support still hasn't sent him anything.

PSA: block/ignore suffer, hes just a big troll, please stop...


GL OP

2 words : Hand History

More words: BOL not providing hand histories. It seems to me OP is more than willing to have them looked at.

To Sufferin the preponderance of info seems to point to a sketchy poker site.
Your one point about the semantics of the level he was playing is pretty much a non-issue. You just don't seem to get it.


Ahh hope we are not ruining your day as you seemed pretty obsessed with all of this.

Sure, it involves quoting a few posts, some of which I edited to save space and not become a wall of text:
I will admit that you did post some somewhat helpful info, like the stuff about hand histories being easy to get from the network and things like that.

For the most part, though, your posts in this thread come off dickish, mostly because your questions seem to have centered on little things like terminology instead of things like OPs other correspondence and such.

OP said he had transcripts from every live chat saved, it'd be nice to see those and other emails.

with all due respect I don't give a flying **** about your opinion, nor about any other eight rows long editorializing that adds no information. i'm not interested at all in your antics so I've added you to my ignore list.

please remember that a lot of people reading these are not 2p2 forum members and do not have the privilege of putting people on ignore lists, so they have to read thru two pages of your 10000NL bull**** to get to real information. for the sake of these people please limit the amount of "opinions" you post

@otatop, don't bother replying to his posts, it's just clogging the thread with nonsense.

Obsessed? Not at all. I just prefer dealing with the facts is all. For example, its a fact that I already said thank you for the explanation regarding the semantics of the level he was playing at. But you insist on ignoring that fact and decide to comment on how I don't seem to get it instead.

...and this isn't trolling?

How about we all just let it go now.

OP, have you tried to contact Action Network to retrieve the HHs?

I went into live chat today for the action poker network and they basically said they can not because it is not part of the action poker network no matter how many times I tried to phrase it. I am still going to email them and maybe get lucky.

Its likely APN is still trying to hide their association with BOL since they don't want their players on APN to know they are playing with USA players on BOL.

Since the BetOnline poker skin apparently has its own separate banking its possible that the money you won was from players on the Action Poker Network, and may have been substantial enough that the APN bank (which has been insolvent for quite some time) is not capable of transferring the funds to BOL and therefore BOL is just stalling until they eventually receive it from APN. During which time, they hope you will just go away. Had you made smaller withdrawals of 1K or 2K, you likely would have received them without incidence...over a period of time that is.

One thing I’ve noticed is that there also aren’t any complaints from players being accused of cheating who are wanting to withdraw smaller 1K or 2K amounts.

I have not made any smaller withdrawls; this was my first attempt at withdrawling.

Yes, that's my point. Had you tried making smaller withdrawals none of this would be happening IMO. By withdrawing 15K from a small insolvent poker network, you have (in a sense) forced their hand into calling you a cheater. None of which is your fault of course. But if you put yourself in their position you will understand their situation better. APN is broke and desperate to survive any way they can. That is the reason they are stalling and appearing so seemingly shady. Had APN not joined with BOL, they wouldn't even be in existence right now. IMO, they would likely agree to pay you on a monthly basis over the next 3 yrs. But they can't agree to this in public and save face, especially now that this story has exploded. You will need to talk with someone in higher management to arrange this. Again, this is just my opinion

I see your point. Obviously this is pure speculation like you said but it is interesting.

WOW!!!!

True, it is speculation. However, as mentioned, I've played on their site for nearly 10 years. I've been successfully withdrawing smaller amounts of a large balance over a long period of time by staying under their radar. Here is an email (see below) from APN concerning a recent withdrawal for ~2K
I had been waiting for almost 2 months so I finally contacted them about it.

1) Notice how friendly their response is.
2) Notice it seems they would likely have never sent my funds had I not contacted them.
3) Notice it is from the fraud department, yet there were never any concerns of fraud addressed to me. This is in order for them to slow pay me had I insisted on receiving my funds earlier than now.

My belief is that APN (PlaySafe Holding) is not a corrupt company, but after making some poor investment decisions, has been experiencing prolonged financial difficulties. I'm 99.9% positive that had I withdrawn 15K I would be in the same situation you are in.


Hello XXXX,

Thank you for contacting us.

Kindly take note that payments were executed earlier today and that your outstanding funds were transferred to your Moneybookers account.

Please accept our sincere apologies for the huge delay and any inconvenience it may have caused.

Should you require any further assistance please do not hesitate to contact us back.

Best regards,

Charlotte Freeman
Action Poker Network Operations
operations@actionpokernetwork.com
Operations Team

Ticket Details
Ticket ID: XXX-XXXXXX
Department: Fraud
Status: Closed

taking his money because they're insolvent makes them corrupt.

I didn't say BOL isn't corrupt...their emails are shady beyond belief!

But I don't believe APN is corrupt. I have yet to see any proof of anyone not being paid by them. That's why I've suggested OP should contact them.