Right on the money, eh?

Well, that's nice.

It seems tk1133 may be becoming slightly less ******ed.

qpw, have you been reading the last 200 posts here. He wants to know who's the one to blow the whistle and say a poker site is rigged. Which commission does that. So please answer with the KGC and try to manipulate us on how credible they are....

To the OP: was your intent of your post to blow the whistle on rigged sites and find out what commission you need to do that to?

If people think it's rigged. Why do specifac individuals care so much? Again...Please justify why you take such offense if your here here to help the 2+2 community.

I don't know the OP never looked up his posts. I haven't checked the Great Rigged Debate thread again yet...But this is a bit of a different post then that one. Explain why online poker can be trusted and the credibility of the company that oversees there operations....Maybe you can bring some facts....other then trying to confuse readers with bias opinions.

Pokerstars and Fulltilt are not licenced by the KGC.

They are licenced by the authorities in other jurisdictions (neither of which jurisdictions have shown as much evidence of dilatory regulatory ability as has, for example, the US, with various large energy and financial organisations ).

[x] there are organizations that "check" poker sites

[ ] there are legitimate organizations that check poker sites

Like I said, I play poker for 4-5 years now and also have been reading these forums for several years now.. I know your type, seen your type many times before on 2+2.. You're blowing off steam and your frustration (wherever that may come from, I can't judge that, it may be an unhappy or unfulfilling life) and acting like a real immature jackass, seeing things (or acting like you see things) that aren't there just to have an opportunity to cry and be mad.. For instance, I never even gave my opinion on the wizzardofodds site .. If you just imitated one by accidental chance then my apologies, but your behavior fit that pattern.

And it seems I have to explain it again, all I wanted to know is if there is such an organisation.. lol

We take offence that anyone as idiotic as yourself is wasting valuable oxygen that could be used by some more useful organism such as a slug or worm.

We take exactly as much 'offence' as we would with someone proclaiming that the Martians were landing with no evidence whatsoever.

Personally, I think you are a child molester; I can see patterns in your posts and the timing suggest the same.

Natuarally, I don't expect you to get offended at that suggestion.

You fit the right in the same type of category as Monteroy.. You don't know **** about what I think or don't think.. I asked a question, you wanna give an answer to that? No? Just wanna whine like a baby? Ok, GTFO

But being an unreconstructed ****** you were unable to find the search button.

Actually, I'm not even 100% sure that you can think.

You've shown precious little evidence of that ability so far in this thread.

If you now feel better making the random personal assumptions and attacks against me then good for you.

Your behavior fit a clear pattern, whether intended or not, and while I kind of made a little fun of that I also did provide you with some information you asked for.

Again, note the person (that tk fellow) who came rushing and supporting your beliefs as seen in your OP. He is a devout believer that the sites are rigged and believes your post was an attempt to help report and expose this. Ironically, his passionate support verifies what I said the whole time, that your post is well within the "I think it is rigged" framework.

Just address that tk fello wand tell him that he is totally misinterpreting you and everything he is saying in this thread about your intentions is wrong and that will definitely make it clear that you are not a rigtard.

Pretty easy

'ceptin' fer a rigtard!

I searched, didn't find.. I did not do a hour long research on the subject no.. That's why I ask here.. Thought I had a good chance of getting a good answer, that is, from non-whiny frustrated crybabies like you. If you got a problem with that, that's fine. But dude, give up the whining... lol

Mods close this thread, I got my answer.. Lowlife trolls are taking over.. I'm done here unless someone normal replies to the topic.. Good luck with the whining boys! haha

Foreshadowing - saying


before the reply of


Foreshadowing works so much better when done beforehand

Of course he will.

He hasn't got the guts to stand up and say what he believes but he just can't bring himself to take a poke at a fellow traveller.

Bit of a waste of space, really.

Looks like OP asked a pretty straight forward question looking for a straight forward answer.

Instead OP received abuse from posters who think it is their job to be cynical and give unconstructive answers.

Why on Earth did you guys register? If you have seen it all before, why do you keep reading it all?

I come for the ice cream.

He got a very straightforward answer very quickly.

I'm not 100% convinced he is a rigtard but he would not act to distance himself from the idiot boy tk1133 which lowered his credibility to just about zilch.

What would you suggest?

That we leave all the 'Poker is Rigged' threads sitting there without any balancing viewpoint?

We are not just in this to be rude to people who think poker might be rigged.

Time and time and time again we provide answers and explanations at levels that should be comprehensible to posters of any educational achievement.

Our thanks for this is to be misrepresented, have our logical arguments ignored and to be called shills for the poker sites.

So, natuarally, now, when someone acts like a ****** they get treated like a ******.

I wonder if you are a rigtard fellow traveller or someone like myself who was initially annoyed at the rudeness shown to some posters but who eventually got sick of having carefully explained posts dismissed by people for whom recourse to logic is a concept so foreign they cannot conceive of adopting it without a passport.

There is a word for these opposing views when they come from the same person.

I have an issue with how OP was treated right here in this thread. Read the first dozen posts again. Pretty poor display. OP is not a standard rigtard everybody loves to pick apart and shouldn't have been treated that way. Guess I'm just old fashioned like that giving people the benefit of the doubt until they show me otherwise.

Whether I am a rigtard or not is irrelevent. It doesn't matter and it doesn't change the facts here.

Serious answer...

The top tier sites are governed by these:

Isle of Man Government, Gambling Control Commission. (PokerStars and others)

States of Alderney Government, Gambling Control Commission (FullTilt, Party, and others)

These are internationally recognized legitimate government agencies, and they do respond to end-user inquiries for information, and investigate complaints.

The next largest group of sites includes Party Poker, iPoker/Platech network, and Ongame network, which are all publicly traded companies subject to tons of regulation and scrutiny in multiple jurisdictions including Austria, Italy, UK, and others. None of these take U.S. players because of the uncertain legal status there.

Beyond those top five, you then get down to the many smaller companies that may or may not have reputable regulatory agencies, and many of them operate out of jurisdictions with only token regulation (like AB/UP).

And here are some of the companies approved by those agencies to do software evaluations.

Cigital Inc. (Poker Stars)

BMM International (Poker Stars)

Technical Systems Testing (Full Tilt, iPoker)

iTech Labs (Party Poker)

eCOGRA (OnGame)

Wow! Now that is a serious answer, thanks man.. As I said earlier, the sites seem to be tested very well. Makes me feel a lot better playing there knowing some independent tests are done on them. Thanks again

I tried to clean this thread up a bit by moving the rigtard battle to the rigged thread.

I have to say, it was a little disappointing to see how quickly this thread was knocked off the rails. I think the troll tk1133 has everyone so worked up that they can't help jump on any hint of a rigged thread right now.