I see you have a very flexible attitude to morality.

Well it's OK if it's a buddy that's cheating someone else, as long as no one cheats OP. LDO.

LOL, yes.

Or: It's OK is someone cheats others so long as they're not very good at it.

It's amazing the way people can rationalise away wrongdoing.

It costs a hell of a lot more time to build a winning bot then to learn winning poker yourself. Breaking the Tos aint cheating, they can put whatever they want in it and nobody to check if it's legal. Besides most people around here use prohibited software like sharkscope, pt, hem, hud etc etc.

A lot different then taking screenshots of your computer under the mask of "anti bot detection" so no one complains, and in the meanwhile they can see your holecards at each shot and play accordingly. Far worse cheating that is. And didn't the pro's start to collude when Isildur joined the tables and scam him for millions. You seriously want to put this kind of scams under the same number of someone who is botting lowstakes?

I admit I'm no holy saint myself but cheating via superusers go's one bridge too far as most people have faith in sites that are untrustworthy as hell.

Omg this is priceless. Not only are you borderline insane, you're also completely ****ing clueless.

Breaking the TOS isn't cheating? Then what is? Also, sharkscope is legit with most sites although FTP doesn't want it open while you're playing. PT, HEM and huds are all completely legit and you'll find they're on the permitted software lists of every site, with Cake being the exception which doesn't permit HUDS.

No, just no. It's not realtime reporting, get a ****ing grip.

No, again, you haven't a clue what you're talking about you ignorant nutjob.

Botting is cheating. Full Tilt taking random screenshots to make sure people aren't ****ing around on their site isn't. You agree to not bot when you join the site and to not use the prohibited software on their list, you also agree to let them take screenshots to help keep the games clean from scumbags like you and your friends.

You've no idea what you're talking about and are an insult to those who actually do actively work to protect the game and expose those who are exploiting it illegally.

GTFO and take your bucket of fail with you.

This.

Yes it is.

PT, HEM, and HUDs are prohibited on very few sites, and I'd like to know where you get the idea that "most people" here are using such programs where they're prohibited.

But those who are, are cheating.

And what difference does that make to the fact that your "friends" are cheating anyway?

Actually, I'd dispute that.

It's cheating because you are getting an unfair advantage. There could be all sorts of things in the TOS that would not constitute cheating if contravened.

I'm just being pedantic, really.

Yeah, I sort of had the same thought as I posted it. I'll concede all 3 points:

1. Breaking the TOS is not necessarily cheating.
2. In this case it's cheating because of the unfair advantage
3. You're being pedantic.

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Also, how is it harder to make a bot than actually learn and play yourself? And if true, why the hell are you doing it?!?!

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Typical pokersite employee who is flooding all forums.

Dude, quote me pls where I said that I am involved in botting myself? If you read back you see that I only mentioned that a friend of mine does it. But it's a fact, people only read what they like to read, and all fall over side things while missing the subject completely, cause we just don't care if we get scammed online.

Allright maybe I said it wrong, though PT/Hem etc gives an unfair advantage it's indeed not prohibited at most sites.

But PokerEdge, Sharkscope, datamining is prohibited and all pro's are doing it, setting up an extra computer and IP adress to mask it. Dont talk about cheating/morality/ethical standpoints while we all know pokerplayers don't give a **** about such thing. Only thing they care about is shipping in as much money as possible without being ashamed to use extra tools for that.

No, it doesn't.

All pros? Really?

I'll talk about them all they like, because I don't cheat. Don't paint all poker players with a broad stroke just so you can justify the fact that your friends are cheating.

Beat it OP. You sound like an angle shooting, cheating, IP hiding, bot using data mining fish

Probably not going to be a popular opinion, but fact is that who knows if OP is right or wrong about the people he faced being superusers. Looking past whether or not botting is right to try and catch a cheater, it is not 100% he hasn't been cheated, no one here can really say that without a doubt. Supposedly he has convincing hand history evidence, and w/o seeing that how can you say w/ 100% certainty that he is wrong, superusing isn't unheard of in online poker

Friend of OPs stevster?

Yeah supposedly

lol at op, you ****ing fail at cheating, gtfo

This refrain of "it's possible therefore you can't say it's doesn't happen", whilst logically correct is tautological and thus pointless.

It's not impossible that you are a paedophile but I don't suppose you'd be terribly happy if a bunch of people went around telling everyone that they couldn't be 100% certain you weren't abusing children. Even though that is the literal truth.

There's nothing wrong with acknowledging a possibility and remaining vigilant for evidence but continually suggesting that we can't be certain various random, possible, events aren't occurring is asinine.

Typical failtard who can't back up his moronic views with an iota of solid evidence to support him.

Again, gtfo and take your sloppy bucket of fail with you.

Right. What's your point?

Since reading OPs warning I put post-it notes over my hole cards when playing on Everest - now nobody can see them, not even me - take that cheatahs!