Hello! My name is Vladimir Zolotov. You can see me sometimes on Stars playing 1/2-5/10 HUNL Zoom pools as KidLockerJ7. On Vbet I played as TwerkTogether. Once again mostly HUNL 2/4 and 5/10.

In this post I want to present the evidence of superusing on Vbet. The main part is a statistically significant evidence that the suspect has unrealistically high TRUE winrate vs regs in HUNL. (By the true winrate I mean the winrate he would show vs regs if he would play them for 100000000 hands.) But there are others: some suspicious hands. And also that every 5/10 reg refused to play or quitted this guy (who plays like a fish).

The story: on 5th September I was playing against SurenMelkonyan who was beating the **** out of me. And a 5/10 reg sat me on other table saying that that I'm an idiot, Suren sees my cards. And that I must leave. I was shocked and did not believe. But I left. Nobody was interested in my whale so he left too.

In the next days this new guy popped up called LuckyLuciano777. This is the guy I have my evidence on. I don't played much with him only one very random ring 10/20 sesh. But I saw him on HU tables with big stacks. I started to rail his games against a 5/10 reg called HumptyDumpy. And Lucky was doing very well. So I was trying to understand if Lucky is superusing. And at some point I started to record.

Sadly I only got a part of the last day and then Humpty quitted. The next day I found Lucky playing 1/2 vs local reg gray1110 so I recorded that. The most hands come from here. And I also have a tiny video of Lucky vs 5/10 reg Armine18. Where the last quits pretty fast. That's all the footage I got of Lucky vs regs.
But I also have a video where he plays 22bb fish and wins after a long hustle and also plays this other superser suspect SurenMelkonyan and loses a stack. I can post this last thing if you want too.

Here are the Vids. They all have timestamps for HU hands in the comments and a summary of results in the description. ( If you see that I missed a rebuy from lucky, showdown, pot > 50bb please let me know. I will fix it.)

Part 1 (with gray 1110)
https://youtu.be/ZgLPDNh7i8c

Part 2 (with HumptyDumpty and tiny bit of "Doug Polk")
https://youtu.be/VhjDXbUuLG0

Part 3 (short one with Armine18)
https://youtu.be/G4mX8JPyF90

Here are the winnings table. I only look on HUNL hands.


The Statistical argument.
It is not possible to have a TRUE postrake winrate greater than 25bb/100 vs regs w/o superusing in HUNL. (This is around 34bb/100 pre rake in the environment observed) This statement is an additional assumption. I just assume that's from my expirience so it can be debated. I personally never heard about anybody having more than 20bb/100 even vs a mix of regs and fish like in Stars zoom pools.

How often a player having (less than) 25bb/100 winrate will win the same or more then Lucky on the same sample? We get the answer by using the calculator https://www.primedope.com/poker-variance-calculator/


Since the result is < 5% it means that there is a statistically significant evidence that Lucky's true winrate vs regs is greater than 25bb/100.
For this argument to be correct it's critical that I don't hand pick hands / sessions for the sample. And I do not. That's litterally all HUNL hands vs regs I have on Lucky. And I don't creep on too many people. I was only filming Lucky, Suren (got a super small sample) and one more guy on other site (got less than 100hands).

The probability of running above certain winrate depends not only on winrate and sample size but also on standard defviation. Selection of STD is another thing in my argument which is not an exact science. I used STD = 155bb/100 which is what I have on my sample vs spicy regs with effective stack < 200bb filter on. My overall STD = 127bb/100 (effective stack < 200bb is on). This table summarize the probabilities of running as hot as Lucky under different assumptions.



Suspicious hands. They are played bad in an obvious way but happened to be good against specific opponents holdings.

JJh on AhTh4: https://youtu.be/ZgLPDNh7i8c?t=1748

Lucky 3x 3bets pre.

Pot cbets JJh on AhTh4 in 3bet pot. This loses EV cos around half of calls either are Ax+ and have him drawing to 2outs or will bluff him of OTR.



He hits J OTT. And goes xx. OTR Lucky pot/calls on river T where gray hits trips.


K6o pot 4betting pre vs 45ss https://youtu.be/ZgLPDNh7i8c?t=5322




IDK what to say 4betting K6o loses bunch of EV.


Sizes.Or to be precize the size. Lucky uses pot. He pot opens, pot 3bets, pot 4bets, pot cbets flop, etc. I was not paying close attention to see if he actually has any other sizes. But he certanly uses pot waaaaay to often in inappropriate situations. This does not suggest superuser directly. But this and his -ev plays above say that if he's not cheating then he is really baaad. But then his true winrate vs regs is negative (at least post rake). And then the chances of having such a great run are even less as you can see from the table above.

Regs voting by their wallets.
At the time of events there were 5 regs were regularily sitting 5/10 HUs: Armine18, HumptyDumpty, "Doug Polk", "f0rheyley" and me. Armine18 quits pretty quick in the part3, Humpty quits in part2, "Doug Polk" also plays couple hands at the end of part 2, and quits, "f0rheyley" is in the same crew with "Doug" and wasn't playing and I also was running for my life. Regs playing lower also were not that interested. After several days from Lucky's arrival 2/4+ lobby was just going empty every time he started sitting people.
That being said I told Armine18 that Lucky sees his cards. And I told Humpty that Suren sees his cards. So those were not completely independent decisions.

Request for Vbet.
So this is it. This is all evidence I have. I think that if after this Vbet will not provide hand histories vs suspected accounts they are 100% scam.

Here is my request and I ask everybody who played HUNL on 1/2+ to post similar requests so we can have nice and solid sample to look on.

My nick on Vbet is TwerkTogether.

I request Vbet to post publicly in this thread all hands I played against: SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777, Brodro, Mafbetteampro, Poker837474, pogheunem.

Here is my previous request on email and their reply.

Strange that a superuser would play against another superuser (if true).

So this was a big hand and they only played 2 hands after. So maybe that's the reason.






Maybe he thought he needs to show that he's capable of getting stacked or that when he bets big a lot he's just punting like fish. But why to get stacked by actual other player when you can get staked by your other acc?!

It looks like I can't edit my 2p2 posts after some time. So I have to post this addon separately.

"f0hayley" gave me 2 more nicks of suspected superusers: calsexygril enterthevoid.
I request Vbet to post my hands vs them in this thread too.

More precisely CamSexyGirl, EnterTheVOID

Hello everyone, my name is Fedor Mamaev, I play in the vbet poker under the nickname JIeBllla room with limits from nl 50 to nl 200. About a month and a half or two ago, several new nicknames appeared at the tables, one of them sat down at the NL 200 table under the nickname "Poker837474" who played weakly, but managed to win 10-11 stacks from me, after which I concluded that something was not there and left the table.
Around the same days I had to play with the likes of LuckyLuciano and SurenMelkonyan, they played very strange and unusual, it all looked like superusers who see the cards. I lost a few bains against them and I wasnÂ’t going to play with them anymore. I watched them and saw how they beat all the regs, took stack after stack despite the fact that their game was mediocre and weak, all this indicates that everything is not clean here.
This is indicated by the following facts: not a single reg could beat any of these players, and in the future, and generally stopped playing with them, also all these suspicious players appeared at the same time, and they all played very strangely, besides I didnÂ’t see them playing with each other.
I ask Vbet to provide the hands I played against Poker837474, LuckyLuciano, SurenMelkonyan in this thread, as well as to investigate for fair play.

I also play on this network, but not from vbet, but from grompoker. my nickname is basileus. I played one very long session with a player nicknamed SurenMelkonyan and lost him 12 stacks at 200 nl. In addition to the fact that I was opened on the 25th pair, he managed to make some incredible value bets on the rivers in situations in which a person is not able to do this. Apart from everything else, and what seems to me the strangest, this group of players played only with regulars, that is, their goal was not to occupy the table or the lobby of the room. They never sat at an empty table waiting for opponents.

Hey guys! If you request Vbet to post hands here please ask for hands against all the suspects: SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777, Brodro, Mafbetteampro, Poker837474, pogheunem, CamSexyGirl, EnterTheVOID. Even if you didn't play some of them.

Otherwise say we got our 5k sample and see that they had 150bb/100 winrate on it. One can argue that's the reason for this is that each of us requested only hands vs the guys he ran poorly against.

While if we get all the hands we played against each of the suspects and it has 150bb/100 on 5k hands then it's just clear to everyone what's going on.

My username on Vbet is BasicConcept and there seems to be a very serious threat to unfair gaming activity from the previously mentioned players.

I have personally played SurenMelkonyan and LuckyLuciano777 on NL200-400 headsup and have lost roughly 3 buy ins which I decided to quit them right after. In the first 15-25 hands they were showing tendencies of a weak player. 100 hands later I was at shock how many right decisions they player has made, extracted the most possible value out of me and I was rarely able to win hands. For someone who has been in the Poker business for roughly 3 years and who understands variance I was fascinated of the accuracy and precision these two players were showing - almost unbelievable.

The facts, examples and videos that are shown in the first post confirms the experience I have had. I had the same exact struggle and same observation as the other regulars on Vbet (or Grompoker).

I request Vbet to post publicly in this thread all hands from the following suspects: SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777, Brodro, Mafbetteampro, Poker837474, pogheunem, CamSexyGirl, EnterTheVOID.

I I'm a player with a nickname: JleBIIIa request Vbet to post publicly in this thread all hands from the following suspects: SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777, Brodro, Mafbetteampro, Poker837474, pogheunem, CamSexyGirl, EnterTheVOID.

Um, super users see the cards coming, not the hole cards. You might want to rephrase While it might be possible to hack the software to see your hole cards, it is extremely difficult to do, and takes considerable system resources. Most (if they had this capability) are not playing 200nl or 500nl, they would be playing much higher. The risk to account is great, so they need to risk for bigger money.

You have small sample sizes. This could just be someone running hot (watched a stream the other day where the hosts stayed out of way of certain player, even with 3bet hands - Pokerstars. Why? Because this guy was running hot. Sure enough, he ended with straight flush in that hand).

It is exactly the opposite. A superuser would see all the hole cards in real time, making it simple for him to bet, check, call, raise or fold, correctly, at every stage of the game.

There has only ever been one proven case of a superuser, as far as I can remember, so it's not exactly something we need to worry about too much, normally.

Exactly what Mike said. I guess in theory there could be a super user that sees cards coming in addition to hole cards if a poker site had incredibly insecure software that used a fixed shuffle and allowed some kind of admin access to the cards that are coming. But I can't think of any good reason for them to do so, other than to cheat. I can't imagine how it would be possible to be able to see cards that are coming, and not hole cards.

Hello I am gray1110. I played most of the hands against LuckyLuciano777 in the above video. I had 2 sessions against this guy. First session I lost few buyins but I thought I was just unlucky because the guy was playing pretty bad and had fish tendencies. During my second session against him I was warned by TwerkTogether but I thought the site is very safe as I play here for a long time and didnt see anything odd and just concluded that the guy is upset of losing too many buyins against him and continued playing. That was a very big mistake. Now I can 100% say that the guy is a superuser/cheater or w/e you can call such things. He sees your 2 cards. The spots where he valuebeted successfuly the third pair against me was just impossible. He was trapping the nuts from flop till the end to get a bluff from me when he knew I didnt have any hand to call even 1bb bet. During long sessions he has never called any of my 5bet all ins, he was instantly folding preflop every time I got dealt a premium hand. The final thing that made it clear for me that he is a superuser was when I actually won couple of buy ins against the guy. The key thing was how I won them. I ended up calling from flop with just Q or K high (cant remember exactly was it queen or king). I called 2 streets and called allin on the river with just K or Q high. And surprisingly I won 3-4 times like that against him. He was bluffing till the end because he knew I dont even have a hand to call 2 streets, let alone a river all in. He was doing perfect bluffs but he didnt suspect that I decided to do it to check my theory. So yeah the only hands where I won against him were the ones where I called 3 streets with q,k high, calls which even the dumbest fish wouldnt do.

I request Vbet to post publicly in this thread all hands from the following suspects: SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777.

If people remember Mike Postle incident, this is exactly like that one.

Hello guyz, Im Beardman89 on vbet and some others rooms. I only played with EnterTheVOID but quite a lot of hands. Our match took place 2 months ago, so it's hard to remember details. This guy played pretty fishy but call down all bluffs and paid nothing. I lost about 10-12bi on nl400 and stopped playing. I didn't pay much attention and go for vacation. After returning, I was warned by TwerkTogether that a bunch of other suspicious players had appeared. So I did witdhrawl funds and quit the room.
I'd like to achieve an honest investigation.
I request Vbet to post publicly in this thread all hands from the following suspects: SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777, Brodro, Mafbetteampro, Poker837474, pogheunem, CamSexyGirl, EnterTheVOID.

5% is not statistically significant. It's a completely arbitrary choice and there's huge selection bias here because you are only ever going to analyze statistical outliers. Selected from a large pool you could come across hundreds of top 5% outliers.

If someone is superusing I'd expect much more damning hands than the two you posted, unless they were very careful.

It's possible but I don't find the evidence enough to be convincing.

I agree that's the choice is arbitrary. But I think that's still how people use the term. Wikipedea (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistical_significance) says: "The result is statistically significant, by the standards of the study, when p < a. The significance level for a study is chosen before data collection, and is typically set to 5% or much lower—depending on the field of study."

So it is the most standard threshold people use for research papers.

I agree that if I take my PT4 database then sort people by winrates and then ***** about some people running hot it is not very scientific.

Thus in the first post I talked on how the data was obtained:
And I meant that I only railed + recorded 3 people in my life. At least I feel so. I guess I could film some LLinus vs bajskorven matches or something like this but for completely different reasons. Until the fairly recent time I was very sceptical about sites being massively rigged.

There is a huge difference between me digging in my database and finding somebody running hot. And the situation when I say "Hey it looks like this guy is cheating, let me record what will happen in the future" and getting sample in this way.


The situation is that we have 460 hands on tape. Only a fraction has showdowns. (BTW they all marked in the timestamps to the videos). Even in the sesh with a superuser a lot of hands seeing showdowns will end up being relatively standard. But still if you look through the sample you can see some thin calldowns which end up being good, some thin merge bets which got lucky to not run into the bigger hand etc. Maybe I should repost more of them here.

I think I messed up by not saying this super clear: the site does not have replayer for tables which are closed. And they refuse to send us the hands WE played against suspected accounts. The question is not "Is our evidence is good enough to through somebody in jail? ". The question is "Is our evidence is good enough to provide us with HHs of the games WE played." Do you think this is too much to ask for?

The statistical argument is insufficient. With that criterion every Sunday million winner is a cheater.

That being said I've also played and struggled against some of these mentioned players (my nick is PennyLane). My feeling is that they've been just running hot but it is strange that every reg seems to be losing against them.

Lets bet on it! You can rail SM and see who runs the hottest. In top 20 you pick your horse (we should figure out later how you fix your pick). I'm ready to bet up to 40k even money that your guy will not win.

Have you taken your time to read through the first post? Have you watched all the videos that have been posted in the first post? Have you read the comments from other regulars including me?

Hey guys! I'm GoogleChrome on vbet. I played against LuckyLuciano777, SurenMelkonyan, Mafbetteampro, EnterTheVOID a few months ago. I lost a few stacks to them. It's hard for me to remember the details of those games. I can only confirm that they played very suspiciously.
I request Vbet to post publicly in this thread all hands from the following suspects: LuckyLuciano777, SurenMelkonyan, Mafbetteampro, EnterTheVOID

ATM I think I already talked to almost every nl200+ reg on the site. And there are 18 or 19 of them and 6 or 7 posted here. Others are too busy/lazy/demotivated to post. So I'm just asking them to give me an interview or allow me to request hands to hands on their behalf.

So here is the interview with HumptyDumpty:


Couple remarks:
(1)I think he lost more than he remembers to lose. I remember him loosing around 10k$ to Lucky in the sessions I railed. I think he lost several stacks on 2k$. And in the video I posted I think that Luckys stack almost all came from Humpty.
(2)during the interview I say that in the videos I posted Lucky never calls river and loses. He actually does it 3 times, all vs gray1110:
- part 1 mysore2 1:05:25 SD calls riv and loses to a third pair
- part 1 Urumqi 15:51 SD calls riv and loses
- part 1 Urumqi 53:05 SD calls riv and loses

So it's not 0 hands but according to my stats on average there should be around 3-4 times more of such hands.

And yeah since Humpy allowed me. I request Vbet to post in this thread all hands HumptyDumpty played against SurenMelkonyan, LuckyLuciano777, Brodro, Mafbetteampro, Poker837474, pogheunem, CamSexyGirl, EnterTheVOID.

I also request Vbet to post in this thread all hands Animal10 played agains those accs. He allowed me:


Yeah one more thing is that Mafbetteampro is most likely clean. He was suspected by the reg who also got superused on the other site at the same time. So this reg was pretty paranoid at those days and then had like 1hour sesh getting crushed by Maf. So the reg got suspicious, quitted Maf and told me this story. So I added Maf to the list of suspects but I haven't played him and nobody else said me they are getting chushed by Maf. While some ppl said that they saw Maf getting rekt in some sessions. When we will get our hands I will not use Maf in the alias for the WinRate and other stats study.

Here are the links to the original screenshots from Humptys interview.
I will not embed them or they will blow up the post.
https://i.imgur.com/fqvMmvB.png
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My affiliate for Vbet is WorldPokerDeals.
When I just find out about superusers I started talking to them.
They said that the allegations are very strong so they can't support me.
And they suggested me to go post on 2p2 and request the handhistories.
Ask other regs to confirm my allegations.
As you can see I've done what I could in this direction.

Recently I talked to WPD again asking them to come to this thread and do 3 things:
(a)state they are concerned about the situation,
(b)ask Vbet to provide people with HHs of the hands they played,
(c)confirm that Rend who recently posted here is indeed GoogleChrome who played/is playing on Vbet through WPD affiliate program.
And not my multiacc or whatever.

WPD replied that our proofs are not 100% proofs of superusers so they can't pick sides in this situation.
From my POV we have waaaaaay to much proof for what we are asking for aka to give us our HHs.

Namely out of 20 nl200+ regs 8 regs who requested hands ITT: me = TwerkTogether, Левша, BasicConcept, gray1110, beardman, HumptyDumpty(screens), GoogleChrome, Animal10(screens).
All except Animal10 (and debatably beardman) wrote that they heavily suspect cheating + their stories. Plus basileus also wrote his story but haven't requested hands at least yet.
Other regs are: PennyLane(he posted he thinks those guys are just lucky), f0rhaley, Doug Polk, AfkPlay, Lea, Taya2017, GogIsIranian, JeniferCarioca, Armine18(house player),LosArmenios(house player).
(4 of them and also one nl100 reg promised to post here and still can't find time or idk changed their mind)
So 45% of all 1/2+ regs suspect cheating and/or request hands. I don't know how that's not enough to give us hands.

On top of this we have the stat. significant evidence for LuckyLucianos true WR to be > 25bb/100 from the videos I posted. I have PhD in Math btw.

So I invite WPD to this thread to give their official position and state what evidence will be enough of them to do (a), (b) and (c).

I know they I not exactly hyped about this invitation but I hope that they have enough respect to game integrity to understand my decision.

So one of the regs found that there is this site: http://sharklist.net/
Lets check out how our suspects done in MTTs:
http://sharklist.net/#player/33930/dsearch LuckyLuciano777
http://sharklist.net/#player/30306/dsearch SurenMelkonyan
etc

I downloaded the data and glued an alias SurenMelkonyan+LuckyLuciano777+Brodro+Mafbetteampr o+Poker837474+pogheunem+CamSexyGirl+EnterTheVOID.
(Still having Maf here. He played 4 tourneys and lost everything. But for the future he is officially out of the suspects list.)

Results are:
270 entries.
+643 buyins or 14415 euro.
I guess that means ROI = 100% * 643/270 = 238%.
(I have no clue about tourneys.)

For the graphs I sorted entries by date. Left in euro, right in buyins:


Winning 643 buyins sounds pretty absurd for cash player.
But I'm not sure how to attach math to this.
And in particular how to estimate the standard deviation.

Here I aggregated the participants amounts for the biggest wins. But I guess that's does not include reentries.
So maybe those are similar in variance to 200 ppl sit'n'gos. Or maybe not. IDK.


PS: Also just look on lucky results separately. They are pretty absurd.

Hello! I'm Juan from the WPD team. Thank you for your invitation to this thread and for bringing your concerns to the community.

1. We are indeed concerned about the situation. We strive for a clean poker environment, and any complaint about game integrity is crucial
2. We do consider that Vbet Poker should create a line of communication with concerned players
3. We mentioned this thread to Vbet Poker management and invited them to give a comprehensive answer
4. GoogleChrome reached us and allowed us to confirm his username here is Rend.

We will continue monitoring this thread.

Our poker pros have been good at tournaments too. Please note that all these accounts are no more than a year old.
http://sharklist.net/#player/30306/dsearch
http://sharklist.net/#player/33930/dsearch
http://sharklist.net/#player/33625/dsearch
http://sharklist.net/#player/27934/dsearch

https://ibb.co/Rh5L1WN

Another victory, they continue to play and siphon money out of people, despite the fact that for many it became obvious that they were playing a dishonest game (except for the Vbet itself, which does not care about what is happening in their room, and the fact that their players are robbed at the tables )

4 hours later, a larger tournament starts in which SurenMelkonyan also takes part, if I could bet on the winner, I would not bet him
https://ibb.co/QC8BQbJ