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Old 04-10-2012, 07:24 PM   #326
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Re: Scammed by Hambone4k?

Here's the thread, i think everyone is referring to: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...victed-338205/
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Old 04-10-2012, 07:30 PM   #327
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Re: Scammed by Hambone4k?

Yeah, thats it. Here's the quote I remember:

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Good news!

Bumping to inform the public that Matthew Matsch, aka Jimbo Crushstar, aka countless other aliases, has been charged with two felonies and is scheduled for a preliminary hearing on Feb 9. I am involved as a witness and will try to keep this updated.
But, as mentioned above, this case was not entirely about internet poker and involved several scams for airline tickets, etc.
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Old 04-11-2012, 12:01 AM   #328
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Re: Scammed by Hambone4k?

Jesus Christ I wish I had someone like Clamper on my side when I got scammed for 800 dollars on a mmorpg account trade lmfao. I cant even imagine what he could have done with the info I had on the dude. (never did get my money or account back).

Im new here, but this thread caught my eye and I just wanted to say im glad there are people like Clamper in the world. Dude seems to not only be incredibly resourceful and thorough but manages to be impartial until there is very little doubt as to what happened as well.

I will certainly consider not only seeking his help but actually paying him a small fee to help me out if I ever get scammed again.
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:36 PM   #329
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Hambone, you're not doing very well at this, so I've decided to help out with your story:

I was just about to leave for the National Convention of the secretive Shaggiesnack Political Party (who keep no records and will never admit their existence), when a good friend, a Russian I'd met the week before (while buying steroids), asked if he could stay at my place while I was gone. He also asked me all about which threads interested me on Two Plus Two. I said that he could stay and told him all about my Two plus Two activity, happy he cared so much, and left for (Secret Location I can't reveal for fear of death). When I got back, said Russian (he looked a lot like Boris from Rocky and Bullwinkle) had left, leaving behind a note that I shouldn't answer telephone or go on Two Plus Two for a while.
I was shocked, absolutely shocked, to hear about the perfidious deeds my good friend had apparently done (he must have discovered my passwords I keep on post-its stuck to my computer) and can only guess he was brainwashed. Have tried to reach him, but is apparently on a secret mission and does not answer my many calls. Good luck getting your money back, and it's all your fault. I am now working hard on the case as a favor to you and will soon be able to explain what IP means. My first clue is that it is very similar to ZIP in zip code. More soon.

that should do it. Just stick to it and don't try to improvise.
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Old 04-11-2012, 05:37 PM   #330
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keep us posted with the legal process op... good luck!
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Old 04-11-2012, 09:25 PM   #331
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good luck
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Old 04-12-2012, 02:10 AM   #332
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I see the following happening in small claims court ... or any civil court for that matter.

"Your Honor, I gave Mr. Hambone4k $8,000 upon the assumption of him fulfilling the contract we had laid out in this chat log. He did not fulfill his end of the contract, so I wish him to return the $8,000."

"I see. How did you transmit the funds to Mr. Hambone4k? Check via postal mail? Electronic funds transfer? Exchange of securities?"

"Player to player transfer on Purple People Poker, part of the Merge network operating in Malta."

"Case dismissed."
That is how I picture it as well.
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Old 04-12-2012, 08:44 AM   #333
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Re: Scammed by Hambone4k?

Hammed by Scambone8k, keep us updated
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:18 PM   #334
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Re: Scammed by Hambone4k?

Latest pathetic email from Eric Hardt:

"I'm asking you for a reason man. I understand you talking about how its my accounts so its my issue. I absolutely totally agree with that if this happened because passwords were stored on an old computer or someone had seen me type my passwords in. If you would just send me the e-mail from them stating the play was from the same IP address, I'd get the ball rolling and figure out what I can do to make the situation right. However, I want to make sure this isn't a past issue from previous times my identity has been stolen. I don't understand why you're not willing to just forward the e-mail since I'm not getting any contact back from them."

Why is he even bothering with these ******ed responses? This was in response to me saying let's set up a payment plan or I will sue you and put you in jail.
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Old 04-12-2012, 05:52 PM   #335
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What's there to figure out, dummy? Pay the dude back his money that you stole. What other options could there POSSIBLY be at this point? Do you think anyone believes you didn't just flat out steal $8k?

I'm sure he still pops in here (maybe he's figured out that he shouldn't be logged in) and knows exactly what's been said in this thread. It's odd to say the least that someone who claims to be totally innocent has stopped even trying to defend himself here.
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Why is he even bothering with these ******ed responses?
Because he's ******ed.
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Old 04-12-2012, 06:26 PM   #336
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Why is he even bothering with these ******ed responses?
because theyve been working for over a month...
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:13 AM   #337
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Your choice is pretty easy. Believe he's going to come around on his own/with your persuasion, or just report it.

You probably have no good way of getting reliable information from him no matter what you say at this point, and everything you tell him just helps him build a smokescreen defense.

If you report you were defrauded and he's telling the truth it helps all of you. If he's lying it can only help you because he's never ever going to be anything but a thief if he's lying to you. Thieves don't just up and and change their ways voluntarily. Ever.
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Old 04-13-2012, 01:14 AM   #338
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I mean he's clearly too dumb to see it would actually benefit him to report the crime himself if he's telling the truth. So do the math on this one.
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:18 PM   #339
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Re: Scammed by Hambone4k?

This thread is like if a chick catches her boyfriend in the act, knows the obviousness of what she saw, but can't quite pull the trigger on taking the appropriate action because he tells her "it wasn't me."

There's going to be no clean admission of guilt and gamblers who scam like this rarely give such.
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Old 04-14-2012, 05:25 AM   #340
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This thread is like if a chick catches her boyfriend in the act, knows the obviousness of what she saw, but can't quite pull the trigger on taking the appropriate action because he tells her "it wasn't me."

There's going to be no clean admission of guilt and gamblers who scam like this rarely give such.
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Old 04-14-2012, 08:39 AM   #341
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Old 04-14-2012, 05:33 PM   #342
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guess he isnt a criminal..
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:49 PM   #343
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guess he isnt a criminal..
http://www.connecttristates.com/news...8#.T4opRkBlRw4
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Old 04-14-2012, 10:24 PM   #344
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Pretty sure the post above was sarcastic.
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:41 AM   #345
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Pretty sure the post above was sarcastic.
obviously it was. well guess not obviously...
this makes me believe his story even more now
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Old 04-15-2012, 01:47 AM   #346
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obviously it was. well guess not obviously...
this makes me believe his story even more now
If Hambone4k came on here and told me he didn't do it, I would believe him.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:35 AM   #347
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Can someone point to a single instance where a scammer has been convicted in a civil or criminal case in the US where the scammer received funds via an online poker site?

I see the following happening in small claims court ... or any civil court for that matter.

"Your Honor, I gave Mr. Hambone4k $8,000 upon the assumption of him fulfilling the contract we had laid out in this chat log. He did not fulfill his end of the contract, so I wish him to return the $8,000."

"I see. How did you transmit the funds to Mr. Hambone4k? Check via postal mail? Electronic funds transfer? Exchange of securities?"

"Player to player transfer on Purple People Poker, part of the Merge network operating in Malta."

"Case dismissed."
First off, why would you post anything that will give Hambone4K any hope that he can get away with this? That seems counter-active to the interests of the 2p2 community, those interests being generally outing and punishing scammers who use this site for such.

Maybe it was some kind of attempt at slowrolling hambone2k, cuz that would be cool. I am not a lawyer but I would presume that any decent lawyer would bring the judge up to speed on the inner-workings of online poker either before the trial if thats allowed or at the beginning.

There are certain obvious other points that I really dont feel comfortable stating here in case you are actually another Eric Hardt account fishing for information, but a judge would easily see right through Erics line of BS here and probably make a QUICK judgement against him, the evidence here when put together is staggering to be honest.
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Old 04-15-2012, 07:55 AM   #348
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Can someone point to a single instance where a scammer has been convicted in a civil or criminal case in the US where the scammer received funds via an online poker site?

I see the following happening in small claims court ... or any civil court for that matter.

"Your Honor, I gave Mr. Hambone4k $8,000 upon the assumption of him fulfilling the contract we had laid out in this chat log. He did not fulfill his end of the contract, so I wish him to return the $8,000."

"I see. How did you transmit the funds to Mr. Hambone4k? Check via postal mail? Electronic funds transfer? Exchange of securities?"

"Player to player transfer on Purple People Poker, part of the Merge network operating in Malta."

"Case dismissed."
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In many states this can be pursued given there is a contract.

No in an average case (no contract, no real names) it cannot. Assets of this nature are not barred by UIGEA (governs U.S. financial institutions. In judicial terms we are "mere players" which has already been carved out) or the wire act (governs game of CHANCE where outcome in the long term is predetermined. I.e. as couts have ruled games without memory). The asset is outlined in an enforceable contract. As long as it was siged, given the evidence he admits functionally stealing it, this is a slam dunk. similar to how that group of players is currently suing Howard Lederer, Chris Ferguson, et al.
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Old 04-15-2012, 09:09 AM   #349
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First off, why would you post anything that will give Hambone4K any hope that he can get away with this? That seems counter-active to the interests of the 2p2 community, those interests being generally outing and punishing scammers who use this site for such.
It's also in the interests of the 2p2 community to not give the false impression that player to player transfers are anything but risky, and that there is little hope of restitution should somebody decide to screw you over.

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Maybe it was some kind of attempt at slowrolling hambone2k, cuz that would be cool. I am not a lawyer but I would presume that any decent lawyer would bring the judge up to speed on the inner-workings of online poker either before the trial if thats allowed or at the beginning.
Going to civil trial with a competent lawyer over an $8,000 debt is going to be -EV. Lawyers aren't cheap. Small claims court seems to be the best option. And it's probably worth a shot. I was curious though if one person in the history of scams involving player to player transfers had successfully obtained a judgment. If not, then I think that's very telling.

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There are certain obvious other points that I really dont feel comfortable stating here in case you are actually another Eric Hardt account fishing for information, but a judge would easily see right through Erics line of BS here and probably make a QUICK judgement against him, the evidence here when put together is staggering to be honest.
I will neither confirm nor deny that I'm Eric Hardt.
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:44 AM   #350
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It's also in the interests of the 2p2 community to not give the false impression that player to player transfers are anything but risky, and that there is little hope of restitution should somebody decide to screw you over.



Going to civil trial with a competent lawyer over an $8,000 debt is going to be -EV. Lawyers aren't cheap. Small claims court seems to be the best option. And it's probably worth a shot. I was curious though if one person in the history of scams involving player to player transfers had successfully obtained a judgment. If not, then I think that's very telling.



I will neither confirm nor deny that I'm Eric Hardt.
Any restitution case such as this if you win you can get 100% lawyer fees and fees obtained for something like a CPA to audit the numbers from the defendant... There is a contract, chat logs, and posting logs that admit guilt plus data that clearly shows a breach in contract.

I would 110% go to court for the 8k.. In the end you will win 8k plus 3k layer fees. Get bank accounts garnished and really make Eric Hardt (the theif who openly broke a contract and stole money) life's worse then it is today.

Small claims court caps the money amount before the 8k and doesn't allow the laywyer fees to be recouped. I would file a civil case.

I could help in something like this, feel free to Pm me.

Don't forget he has to hire representation that cannot recoup the costs outside of his own pocketbook.
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