Yeah, limitninja, that was his name.

I understand you didn't just come here to make 800 posts just so that you could scam a bunch of people.
You were a member of the community and were legitimately participating here and THEN you got itchy and a little broke perhaps and decided to "creatively borrow" some money for a little while from as many people as you could.

But you are the one who mentioned the idea that you were able to do this based on your reputation. And I'm just mentioning that some of your posts in the past seemed kind of weird to me although admittedly I had not been noticing as many (or any) of those types of "FTP is rigged!!!" posts out of you in quite some time.

Anyway, your intention when you started doing this a few days ago (or whenever it was) was clear. You were taking the money to pay off some bills or whatever and were hoping you could run up the rest via some tourney score and THEN pay people back. And clearly the people who you stole the money from would not have done so if they knew it was for purposes much closer to "staking" you instead of a straight and direct and IMMEDIATE transfer back.

so while you didn't originally come to this forum with the intentions of scamming anyone you clearly knew what you were doing more recently when you started this whole disaster and you just HOPED that you could hit a big score somewhere in there so that it wouldn't come to something like this.
And evidently you STILL have hopes of trying to hit that big tourney score so that you can get out of it as effortlessly as possible whereas everyone else can clearly see that it is ar more likely that you would be digging yourself an even bigger hole.

Paying other random tourney players on FT $26 at a time instead of paying DIRECTLY the people who you stole the money from is pretty LOL. Using the logic of "Hey...that way I can pay everyone even faster!!" is almost creepy for how inappropriate it is.

Anyway, you actually are making some sort of effort to clear this up evidently whereas some people would just runaway and hide with their stolen goods. So there is some sort of a good streak in you aside from the thieving and addicted "have to get more money for my bills and for a few tourneys" side of you. So hopefully you will not get yourself in a mess like this again by gambling more money than is responsible and then needing to steal from people to pay your bills or whatever.

The short version is: Don't gamble what you can't afford to lose. Obviously you must have done something like that.

I honestly think that selling a piece or two of furniture or a TV or selling your computer in order to get the money back to the people you stole from would show a lot more character in you then your idea of "I'll keep a little bit for a tourney so that I can have a chance to pay everyone back all at once!!"

Bob, everyone knows you need at least 7500 posts of cred to pull off the long con.

Brb. Gotta swap some funds.

romanwarrior you definitely should be selling stuff and / or borrowing to pay these people back. It is unacceptable that they have to wait

This is a serious matter I don't understand why so many of you are joking at the expanse of others.

I already asked my friend to loan me few hundred on ftp today, so I can start paying back, he said he will see if he can do it when he gets back hope today.

OK. Though it is kind of silly for you to play the moral card now. Just saying...

It's good you are trying to get people paid back. I certainly wasn't mocking that at all.

Good luck to you.

This happened recently between a friend and I. He owed me a $500 roll that he lost through floating echecks on Stars (wrote a thread about this) and kept stringing me along with talking about getting work, etc to pay me back.

He dep'd 100 on FT with RB, wouldn't pay me and lost it.

Got $50 in RB, ran it up to $200, wouldn't pay me and lost it.

Recently I knew he was getting $25 in RB so I told him I'd log in and take it as a means to start paying me back.
The night before he got it, he changed his email, FT password and blocked me on AIM all so that I couldn't access $25.

Anyway, the point of the story is that I'm going to tell you what I should've legitimately told him:

Seek help.

If you're serious about being 2.4k in debt and not paying someone back the full amount ASAP, you really have a problem man.

Like Bob says, you trying to pay people back is commendable..but the fact that you're still trying to 'get a score' is sickening.

fwiw, I know it's probably dumb but you should see if someone would be willing to buy up your debt and make it so that you only owe one person. It's alot more organized than having to split $200 8 ways and ****. However, I dunno if that's possible anymore with your current rep though. Someone will need alot of faith in you.

My $0.02

roman - Wow. You lecturing to people to be more serious is somewhat impressive.
Kind of how others expected you to take your offer to transfer the money seriously.

People are mostly joking to mock YOU. Nobody else in this thread.
And it also serves as an education and a reminder that this transfer stuff is always a big scam-risk.
I also don't know why anyone would feel sorry for you in this (you mentioned your friends who might forward you some money). If anyone should be felt sorry for it should be the people you stole money from.


Also - I was entirely serious when I said that you should sell stuff instead of making people have to wait. Henry is serious about that suggestion too.
You owe $2.4k still I believe (maybe it's almost down to $2.3k now...not sure).
Do you own a car? You should sell it and then ride a bike or take the bus to work or something. Then pay everyone back IMMEDIATELY. And then it's on you to earn enough money so that you can buy some cheapo car again.

Seriously. You are making everyone wait to get paid until it's convenient for you to pay them back while you continue to have your computer, internet connection and perhaps a car and other stuff. Take even more responsibility for your past actions and instead of essentially saying, "I'll pay you back as soon as I can..kind of when I get around to it" you should be the one to have to sacrifice a little.
This includes NOT taking the money that isn't yours and trying to hit a big score in a tourney.
You really want to hit a decent sized score so that you can pay it back all at once and stop people from having to wait due to your irresponsibility? Sell your car.

I agree with much of proboy's post as well and truly do hope that roman seeks help for his addiction as soon as possible.

Roman dug himself in deep to the point where evidently he couldn't pay his bills.
Then he stole from people to pay off the bills but to also get to keep on playing (with supposed intentions of trying to win enough that the delay wouldn't be too long).

This is some bad news gambling addiction going on here and if roman doesn't seek professional help for this it's entirely possible that a similar style episode of him stealing/scamming from someone to fund his addiction will play over again (although likely not in the same way on 2+2 I would hope).

roman - It really does seem like you have a gambling problem here and I don't think anyone in this thread would disagree with that. The fact that you got yourself into this mess is one thing. But then the logic that you use to keep just a little bit behind to try to win it all back was truly gambling-degen pathetic.
you even agree that you shouldn't be doing that so you won't....so you'll just keep a LITTLE bit of that for just ONE MORE tournament.

your posts in this thread really do indicate that you should seek help.
But first lets look into putting in some overtime at work or selling some stuff or doing whatever you have to do in order to pay back the funds that you stole.

wow this is an excellent poast, gtpitch you mustbe a mod



once again brings it to us a very informative way, thanks




i gotta agree you made this thread 5 stars all by yourself

I'm very serious about him selling stuff. I ran a game for a while and issues like this would come up every so often. People were then expected to sell everything.

$2k is not that much money. TV, watch, stereo, Ipod, computer, CDs/DVDs, jewelry, bike etc. It isn't that hard. Take everything you have to the pawn shop and get what you can for it.

If that isn't enough then you borrow. Odds are credit is already maxed out but there is still friends and family. There is no way that your parents don't have $2k. It is embarrassing but you owe people money. If all else fails you go and borrow it from someone at the local game then you can pay him back. These people were looking for a money transfer not to lend money. You have now put them into the position of being lenders without their consent. There are people who lend money to poker players. If you needed to borrow that is where you should have gone.

You were in a jam so you took other people's money. Totally oblivious to the fact that doing so would possibly put them in a jam. The amounts are fairly small so it probably isn't screwing anyone over too badly but you never know what someone else's financial position is. That could represent a substantial part of someone's bankroll and you just tied it up during double VPP week.

Bob I didnt get my self too deep, and I will pay them as soon as I get my pay, which was supposed to be last month but never came in, they are promising by july 14th, by the time I sell anything it will be too late anyways, by me getting my pay would be the fastest way to pay people.

I get paid only once a month and when that doesnt come in in time it really screws me.

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Dont you think I thought about other avenues to get money prior to doing this ???

Anyhow, what is done is done, and I am here to make it right, so please stop posting pointless and repeated posts and bob stop writting essays this is not an english class.

Hi Roman -
I believe you got this backwards. You are the one who stole the money.
The other people are the ones who got screwed.




Somehow you didn't get paid last month when you were expecting to evidently.
You could sell your stuff now and get the money (most or all) or you could borrow from friends or family or do whatever else is necessary.
And you could pay off the people who you stole from way before July 14 if you did this. And then after you you get paid by whoever else then you can buy back whatever you like....or, perhaps more responsibly, you can live without certain items and try to save some of your money so that you are less likely to fall into broke-ness again.

There's plenty of time between now and July 14 and there's no reason why everyone you stole from should have to wait when you have other means of acquiring the money.

Selling your stuff or borrowing from someone else may be a big inconvenience for you and you may not feel like doing that. But you are the one who should be inconveniencing yourself if you want to make good. Instead you are inconveniencing everyone else and telling them to just be patient. And you are even having the balls to complain about what a hardship this is on YOU and about the people who feel sorry for you which I think is pretty incredible.

If you had to steal money from others to pay your bills and you still aren't able to pay them back right away then you got yourself in too deep.
You have no money. You stole from a bunch of others to pay bills and fund your gambling addiction. You still don't have any money to pay them back.
Yes...you got yourself in too deep. How on earth can you think otherwise?

jeez, give the guy a break! he did go through all the trouble of opening this thread - so don't imply he's not bustin' his ass....

what place do u work for? I presume it is an illegit business, since I have never heard of a business not paying somebody, unless it is filing for bankruptcy.

oh and i called this weeks ago (for a different reason but still applies), but obv nobody bothers to read warnings:

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...postcount=8795

Bob apperantly you are the one who can't read, I have already answered all your questions, I have asked people to borrow money, but noone was able to. I am a bum thus have no possesions and live on the sreet. And the computer I use is a DX286 from 1980s and is worth 43 cents.

No it is a legit business, I do contract work for different businesses I service computers and networks, and this company I was doing if for was supposed to pay me on June 30th when I finished the job, but now they are telling me thay can only pay me by July 14th for whatever reasons.

Pretty sure this quote from the transfer thread is the type of thing that shows that you really do need professional help. I'm very serious about this and I know others agree with me. You were so afraid of yourself and your own behavior that you had to warn others to never trade with you because perhaps you would get the urge to strike again and scam someone else? (that's what I'm thinking this means anyway).

Whether you are able to pay it back in the semi-near future or not you definitely have some sort of problem. And I do think you got in too deep. That's not too say you couldn't have gotten in deeper. There's ALWAYS deeper. You could have stolen $100k instead of $2.4k. But you still got yourself in too deep. Obviously.

(From the transfer thread)

Well done. This is a good way of insisting they pay you first...make it sound like you don't trust them because they haven't been around long enough!!
Not sure if this was one of the victims or not but definitely an A for effort on that one.

Bob please stop posting in this thread. and I posted that in the transfer thread at a request of one of the people I owe money to.