This deal at Minted is pretty much unheard of, just dont go nuts on depositing and remember if a site like FullTilt can rape you any of them could. I will personally deposit and play for this promo. I said it in the other thread and Ill say it here, they need to start it today not on the first!

NOFX has been posting on these forums for quite some time and he is definitely not a shill, maybe he just wants to help promote a good cause for the whole online poker world...so why dont you do us all a favour and stop posting bull**** since you have been here for a few months and are just another ignorant tard, k thanks

Join date of 2 months ago and already accusing a well known poster of being a shill.

Go take your ignorant comments elsewhere.

We will see if it ends well for Everleaf. Nowadays we have exactly oposite direction so rake increase (Everleaf € tables, ENET, Ongame that increased rake on microstakes).
Till now every site that has tried the low/no rake strategy was big fail, so wouldn't be suprised if it ended the same way.

I'm going to give this promo a shot just as a way of supporting a site that is willing to try this.

Pretty sure those sites failure had nothing to do with the fact that they charged low rake and in any case the circumstances surrounding online poker is way different now than at the time of those rake free sites that failed.

Increasing the rake in the face of black friday and falling numbers of players really shows which sites are more interested in just fleecing existing players until they kill the games and have no interest in whether online poker survives or not. Networks like Enet exist solely to prey on clueless poker players and extract as much money out of them before they wisen up to how much rake is taking all their money.


Just look at what happened with Fixed Limit HE... games on all almost all euro sites are dead as the games became nearly unbeatable at many stakes because of ridiculous rake.

NL is heading in the same direction. Rake needs to go down significantly and/or rakeback needs to be universal. Were it not for rakeback i would have dumped poker ages ago and never looked back. I'm sure there are countless others like myself without rakeback who dumped the game after thinking it was unbeatable.

Poker needs winning to be made easier at the micros so that new players can stay interested, and educating the fish about rake is a good thing, and supporting any effort by a site to lower rake should also be supported.

But most players on this site are just lazy and prefer to play 'wait-and-see' then point fingers and say...look it failed! When they could have contributed to its success but instead do nothing but spam threads with negative comments.

Hi,


The thing that really amazes me about rake on Poker sites is how dogmatic the sites are with their table games. It is like their is a silent consent within every company never to adjust the rake in relation to the traffic on their site. None of the sites, to the best of my knowledge, have made any attempt to significantly decrease rake to increase site or game traffic.

In retail marketing products are placed on special to entice consumers into the store. It is an effective strategy that has stood the test of time. Everybody knows that the basic premise is to get people into the store. Consumers, more often then not, buy something extra that they had not planned on purchasing. Compare this real life scenario to online poker.

Over and over again, poker players see games not running on Online poker sites. More often then not the rake is way too high on these games. Basic market strategy would suggest that if a product is not moving then your probably best to reduce its selling price. The sites ought to take more responsibility for increasing their game traffic through discounting.

In my eyes, if sites want to increase traffic in particular games then they ought to offer discounts to attract consumers. If a site is charging 12% rake for a sng and only generating 10 games an hour, then a 6% rake at 21 games an hour is a win for the site. If a site only has 100 hi/lo stud players and wants a player base of 200 hi/lo stud players next month, then specifically reducing the rake ought to attract players. At the very least attempting to get some game traffic flow may require reducing rake for that specific game. It doesn't have to be forever, nor does it have to be for every game to be successful.

bump imo

A big THANK YOU to ......: Pokerstars.com for: Raising Rake Consciousness

Your avatars should be changed from "Too much rake!" to "How much rake?"

You are attacking this problem from the wrong perspective. Of course, the rake is extremely high, but that is not the fundamental thing here. It could be 2 percent, 5 percent or 10 percent or whatever. That would be fair, as long as the poker site was showing every player exactly how much they actually pay. But they don´t.

Wouldn´t it be fair if the poker site did send a statement to every player of the monthly costs at the end of each month?

Now, even if you mail them and ask for the numbers, they won´t answer. It´s there own secret(!).

"How much rake?", should be the statement. For a usual creational player, it´s not possible to see how much he pays in rake. That´s the problem. He will never see it, and never bother. Until he does, there will be no rake reduction.

We should also educate terrible players on how bad they are as well. Obviously there's no motivation from pokersites to educate how much they charge them, and how much they should charge them. Even regs going up to noob players going "DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU'RE BEING SECRETLY CHARGED EVERY MONTH NOOB", seems unlikely to improve the state of online poker world.

"The thing that really amazes me about rake on Poker sites is how dogmatic the sites are with their table games. It is like their is a silent consent within every company never to adjust the rake in relation to the traffic on their site. None of the sites, to the best of my knowledge, have made any attempt to significantly decrease rake to increase site or game traffic."

This is false...though you can probably say the few who have tried have failed at it pretty miserably. Even stars has reduced rake in certain overraked, low edge games (high stakes sitngos).