You might want to reread Josem's post.

^^ noted, wheres the video already turtle

I haven't read the thread from this point but there are plenty of people selling bots that can beat cash games for 3 bb/100, but I've never seen anything winning above 50nl (I would say the current crop of 'mainstream' bots - that is, bots not dependent on specialist player/user knowledge - are stymied until pokertracker-smart bots are available - they can already table and player select, it can't be far off)

Anyway my point is that, in my experience, nobody who runs or writes bots is worried about sites cracking down because there are too many bots, it may seem logical but it doesn't happen.

EDIT:

I now have read the thread and I'm pretty suprised that people aren't aware of the extent to which bots have infiltrated big poker sites. I've made a couple of pretty explicit posts about this before but nobody seems to care, which is weird. It's very easy to buy a $100 bot that will win you money on FT, at least in tournaments, completely undetected. (My pre-programmed bot freerolled into, and then cashed, in an FTOPs, for hundreds of dollars, with no help from me, I was probably in bed)

As you can imagine they go to great lengths to build stealth into the bots and in this regard they are pretty impressive. You don't need any computer skills to run the bot and it won't even show up in your task manager, nevermind appear on your screen. If you are somewhat savvy you can run accounts on multiple computers, VPNs etc, and evade detection with some very basic precautions.

basically when ever I am in a hand against someone from Russia I either dont get involved or not put any money in unless I have the absolute stone cold nuts...

i was on the assumption that you were not in fact a shill before you mentioned anything about your stance on bots. I simply stated that some of your posts make you look like you are. Then you went on and on claiming no way you can be a shill for the pokersites because you say "i think the sites could do more about preventing botting". Everyone who pays any attention to your posts (trust me i have not paid that much because your mostly just namecalling), will tell that you focus WAY more on trolling the rigged thread. So i stated a reason why a shill might pretend to be on the players side on an issue such as botting. Still confused?

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Pretty disheartening the way AM I a Turtle has been treated by the people who run this site. And its pretty obvious the motives behind it too.

Care to elaborate on this?

Careful.

I only said he seemed like a turtle and Grunth0807 decided that increased the likelihood that I was a shill.

Well, obviously it's in the best interest of 2+2 that people can run insanely good robots without interference and thus cause online poker to collapse and the forums and book sales to disappear.

Stands to reason, innit?

I can inderstand why a "how to" video on botmaking wouldn't be a good idea to post. This I understand.

Am I a Turtle needs to post a video of the bot in action. Whether or not the bot wins is completely irrelevant. What is relevant is the timeframe the bot can go without being detected by the sites.

There is really no reason to come down so hard on Am I a Turtle. What if he is right?

The only reason I 'came down hard' on turtle is that he over-egged the custard by claiming that the robot won at an absurdly high rate.

This implies that either:

a) He's lying.
b) He has no concept of meaningful sample size.

rubbish I said in my original post that when the script when up for sale it went up on a forum and was then tested by around 50 people they then did that and posted HM graphs and stats and it came out to win at that rate, I posted links to the forum and post links to where they sold the script.

and thats why it still up for sale with about 6 more that can win over a large sample

If this were true then on line poker at the game(s) and stakes the robot could play would be collapsing.

Very few human players will continue to play when the tables are flooded with players winning at the rate you suggest.

And once the human players are gone it would just be roboteers playing against each other and having their BR disappear in rake.


Afterthought: Were these graphs posted on 1-4-2010 by any chance?

My friend sent this over this morning we have taken the name out of the bot for obvious reasons this was the email he received from Poker Stars.


>Hello,
>
>We at PokerStars have noticed that at some point in the past six weeks,
>you
have tried out a program called “xxxxxxxxxxxxx”. We would like you to know that among this program's features is an automated "robot" player feature that makes this program against the rules of PokerStars.
>
>Perhaps you were unaware that xxxxxxxxxxxx(or any robot player) was
against the rules, or were just curious about the program, but use of this software under any circumstances is against our terms of service.
>Those terms of service are located here:
>
> Poker Stars - Online Poker Site Terms of Service
>
>Among them are these terms:

The stakes infested by robots pretty much are aleady collapsing. Supressing Am I a Turlte's evidence will only prolong this collapse.

Is this your response to this:

?

Because first of all, no one who "runs this site" has even been involved ITT. And if you mean mods, IDK who you think has treated OP poorly and/or come down hard on him. Which of course means your ridiculous motive inferences don't make any sense whatsoever.

Who is suppressing anything?

Yeah, what with the 3BB/100 robots and the blatant rigging.

I give online poker, what? A week, at most.

"prolong this collapse"?

What does that mean, exactly?

Wow, good to see Stars was on to you. That does make me feel a lil better about them since I do most of my play there. You have any more emails from them?

Lets try and focus on what matters here instead of picking apart my posts

Thanks I think people will at least listen and take on board that this is no joke.

We did not push it with poker stars as we just wanted to test the security and they came threw 100% so no more emails just the warning.

Peoples win rates going up then, or are they slowly coming down?
I know what I see posted every day that the games are becoming harder and win rates are coming down.
Could this be some % of the cause?

HHHHMMMM,

that is a seriously edited email.

However, if Stars detected it - then how is that causing the drop in win rates, as you claim? With all these win rate drops popping up all over the forums (according to you), well, everyone would be broke.

Methinks thou art originally a spammer.

How come sites don't collaborate in their fight against bots? Having bots ruin the reputation of online poker harms every site, people won't think "I will play on site X because it has half the bots that sites Y and Z has", they will just think bots have infested online poker. Only a handful of people will be using the reputation of bot detection systems of a site as a criteria where to play, so it's not like it's a massive competitive advantage.

I think the low limit cash games are already dried up, and its bc of bots. I remember reading an article published years ago that predicted bots would take over online poker. Well the time is now, and it seems there is proof out there (Am I a Turtle claims to have it although we are still waiting). Why on earth would anyone not want that proof to come out? That I dont get.

Its pretty much recognized that there are bots playing online, but the degree of prevalence is unknown to the casual player (most of the human low limit cash gamers are casual). Sites really don't have an incentive to do anything about it since no one is complaining (bc they dont know), and all bots do is increase overall profit folr the site anyway.

I do however, applaud Stars for seemingly getting this right, if indeed they did catch this bot.

Unlikely.

The games are getting harder as a large swathe of players converge towards a certain level of ability and the mean BB/100 rates of winners come down.

They are not getting harder because the BB/100 rates of winners are bifurcating to a low band for human players and a very narrow high band for robots.

If you read the posts I was told by the MODs not to list any products, that can lead to a ban.
And if you read my post I said that this may be a % of the cause.