Believe me, I'm a very active player that cashes out frequently, so I'm well aware of how often this has gone on and so forth. To me, however, once neteller got jammed and Party left, the sky did drop a little; it's weird how complacent people get with stuff like this. All I'm saying is we, as players, are really responsible for the situation that we are now in. You can blame Frist all you want, but we saw it coming for years, and most of us said, "LOL, no way poker goes anywhere."

OK, I actually agree with your line of thinking if that's what you're getting at. I think players are getting more involved, but agree it still needs LOTS of improvement.

Yeah, man, that's what I'm saying. If we had the support we have now (and like you said it needs to be more since it's harder to reverse than prevent) we probably wouldn't be in this situation now.

IMO the sad part is that many people seem to forget what we have already lost , overcome these losses and believe what we have now will not change...Not referring to anybody in this thread...Poker players need another "wake up" call and get involved or we could have another "Frist" pulled on us...

Exactly. The status quo can change anytime, and yet again we are left with less and somehow learn to become complacent with the new status quo... rinse and repeat.

Yes another Frist, and then another!!

First that little Frist incident. Then we decided to suck it up and work around it.

Then the Neteller thing where we couldnt get our money. Then we decided to suck it that up and work around it too.

Then we forced ourselves to accept Epassporte. That company was barely adequate, but we sucked it up and hoped nothing else would happen. Then overnight, and without warning they disappeared in April-2008. So we sucked it up and we started using Echecks heavily.

So maybe the sky is falling and maybe it isnt. But it seems to fall a little here and a little there. Who knows whats next.

I know this has happened before. But if I recall, not to both PStars and Tilt at the SAME TIME!!

I just called 1-888-TILT-PAY (1-888-845-8729)

The guy from India named "Charlie" stated that what they heard from Full Tilt is that it is only a "Technical Issue" and should be up tomorrow. Of course many of us called Epassporte last April and were told that it was just a "Technical Issue" and it would be back.......We'll see.

I did withdrawl thru e-checks on the 29th, it was in my bank on the 1st.

Like I stated in an angry post last year after Epassporte bit the dust:

Pokersites like PokerStars, FullTilt, and PartyPoker used United States online players as a launching pad. Now that Poker is popular around the world and they have already made BILLIONS and BILLIONS of dollars they dont really need US players as much. They dont need to use a fraction of the money they made to fight Uncle Sam.

As proof. Have you been playing at Stars and Tilt lately? I have. Look at where your opponents are from. More and more are from different places around the world outside of the US(especially South America and Asia). Why do you think Pokerstars has the Latin America Poker tour and Asia Poker Tour? For fun? No!! They are trying to market(with Huge success) to those parts of the world.

I have really noticed a change in the past 1.5-2 years. PStars occsionally peaks at over 200,000 players now, where 1.5 years ago that was probably around 140,000. Tilt used to be about 65,000 and now appear to be approaching 100,000 peak.

If most U.S. players leave(most being fish) because its too hard to deposit without pulling a miracle out of our a**es, they will still make good money with the new players.

QFyoudontknowwtf your talking about

The US is still a HUGE market full of fish for the major sites. US is where the WSOP is. Its where Vegas is. AS big as the international market is, those things are still very important.

Im a player in the USA and it says the option to deposit via echeck is currently down/unavailable. Anybody know when this will be an option again for USA players? Really its our only deposit option for us. Hope this isnt a permanent issue? Thanks.

Look below. We already have a bunch of threads about this.

What do you expect people to do? Its not like we can march on DC and get them to change the law right now. If this is due to the regulation, we have to roll with the punches and see what happens.

It most definitely has happened to both Poker Stars and Full Tilt before at the same time. They use the same processors. In fact, it's been much, much worse before, and there was a semi-prolonged period where players had no way of getting their money off of Full Tilt.

The sites will get this worked out (like they have the previous two times). Just give them some time and let's monitor the situation rationally and logically.

Everybody just stay cool.

Forgive me for not being up to date, but in previous instances what was the other safe way to get money off Stars? Paper checks?

Mine was approved 5/30, still waiting, but it does say 3-10 business days.

just a guess but maybe 25 - 30 percent of p stars business is US based with Tilt's higher than that.

obviously they could survive without the US. but it would be a pretty big hit to their revenues and they would have to change their business (get rid of some employees etc.)

so obviously they are going to do what they can to keep the business

You still have the ability to take some action.

You can support the PPA (Poker Player's Alliance) http://pokerplayersalliance.org/

And maybe win a seat in the WSOP
You could:

send an email to your Reps in DC

and to the President



I'm just saying that you don't just have to sit around and see what happens.

I am a member of the PPA, and I have wrote my two Senators, my House Rep, Pres. Obama, my Governor, Dick Perry, and also my State Congress. Recently live poker was going to go to a vote in the State Congress here in Texas, but Dick Perry said he would veto it. URGGGGHHHHH...

I just read an article saying how one payment processor owes Stars/FTP/AP/UB about $30 million total. It could be that they're the ones writing the checks and they're broke.

link?

oh right. sorry

http://www.pokernewsdaily.com/australias-courier-mail-chronicles-30-million-debt-to-online-poker-sites-2597/

Sigh, I was going to trade Carbon for Stars to get my money more quickly. Maybe I'll just get a check from them and wait 6 mirrion years.

Anyway, enough with the chicken little act it is annoying yes but if anyone can get everything straightened out it's stars.

Funny how online poker is illegal in the US but it isn't illegal for broadcasters to advertise it, as long as it's 'Play for Free'.

They can only advertise the .net site without the threat of Government intervention. The feds seized money some networks took from poker site ads a few years back so the parties involved came up with the .net solution. As long as they dont have real money gambling on the .net site, they can advertise. THey advertise the .com site, the feds will come after the networks

I did an ultimate bet e-check last night and though it worked they did change processors and actually the who process in general was different.

previous echeck still has not cleared