Fifty's are not the same as DoN's. Stars better say this to fish, not to regs.

So what is the reason?

Weee great news that stars will lower the rake on sngs. The 60/9s could be so much better with only 1$ less of rake.

Don grinders, move on and learn poker

Dear Donkeystars, WE the players pay YOUR salaries. LISTEN TO US! WE like the option of DON's, let us have what WE want. Run the games WE want to play not the games that YOU find less painful to regulate.

Did you NOT have the forethought when inventing the DON to see the potential collusion etc problems? Errr no, just like you are jamming this dumbass decision down our throats.

Whoever is coming up with all your new BRAVE(not) concepts should be FIRED and sent to work with Lee at CAKE(FAIL)

you are looking like a BS network now.

Probably for the better, they are impossible to police and its a drain on their resources to attempt to do so

LESS RAKE ON ALL SNGS PLEASE

I MEAN $15+1

$55+5

WHATS THE JOKE HERE, THE DONS OR THIS ******ED RAKE SYSTEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK so I tried to see if I could make a go at these fifty50 games.
I played about 3 hours today at a constant four table rotation. After 3 hours I still have no clue as a decent strategy to turn this into a profitable VPP micro stake system. I am stumped. I dont mind playing regular STT and will probably return to them. It really bums me out I will not be able to chase a higher level VPP status because of this though. /endfrustration. I am moving on.

dude seriously whats changed??? The only thing changed is now the scammers pwning the tables will get a bigger cut of the prize pool lol..

I guess its time we all learned some real poker. Lets all play 45 & 180 SNG's lol. You seen how they go down. 3 all ins per hand bingo shove after bingo shove with rubbish. Aces and kings cracked every few hands, it must take awesome skill to not have to think about a hand on the flop..

TY Stars

Answer FTP about DoN:

"Hello Dominik,

Thank you for contacting Full Tilt Poker Support.

We don't currently offer the games in question on our site.

However, we may add them in the near future.

If there's anything else we can help you with, please let us know. We're always here to help.

Regards,

Shane
Poker Specialist
Full Tilt Poker Support"

If you recently received the response you must have contacted them months ago and still no DoNs on FTP so don't hold your breath

About as much skill as it takes to fold until 5 people bust

Adding DoNs now would be a very clever move by FTP ...

"The value of each chip in Fifty50s also makes situations where some players may softplay each other less attractive than in Double or Nothings. Some forms of poker invite this sort of implicit collusion more than others, as the rewards are greater and costs are smaller for making such plays. The Fifty50 format is an improvement over the Double or Nothing format in this regard as there is always a cost for a player to make a decision that doesn’t maximize the size of their own chip stack."

Protecting the legitimate players is what this is about then? In DoNs a good legitimate player was guaranteed 20% of the prise pool. What are they guaranteed now????

If people were cheating, colluding fifty50's just makes it even easier for them to maximise their profits..

Full Tilt needs to spend the majority of their time improving customer support and offering a meaningful, SIMPLE reward system that is at least as good if not a little better than Stars' SuperNova ... no need to make anything that rivals SNE, though. Giving people a reason to play 100 tournaments at once or 24 cash game tables at once doesn't bring out the best in people or in quality games.

I'm not a DoN/Fifty50 player, but I'm guessing it will be easier to detect explicit collusion in Fifty50s. Say it's 6 handed, you have AA in the BB with an 8bb stack, the SB shoves for 9bb, and UTG is down to 1bb. In a DoN, the BB would have a legit reason to fold AA (I think). In a Fifty50, he should call (I think) - folding would be suspicious and if it's a regular occurance against certain players, collusion would be much easier to spot.

Yes, a large, well trained team of people knowledgeable in proper DoN strategy could eventually figure out the difference between intentional collusion and simply playing correctly, but that costs money. My guess is that the cost is too high to keep DoNs profitable for Stars.

I'd like to bring attention back to the fact F50s last 24% less minutes than the DoN counterpart on average, and cost an additional 0.8% (20% more) in rake. I don't think this is justified.

I'd rather see it as a 20% rake increase than a 0.8% increase based on the buyin amount.

Someone who pays half their winnings in rake will now have 20% less, assuming your ROI is equal.

Yes, I apologize for that. I'll try to get it fixed.

+1

I'm sure full tilt is rethinking their "no DON" policy. It worries me though. No way tilt's security is competent enough to handle don collusion.

fyp

folding AA in this situation has nothing to do with collusion and everything to do with sky-high bubble factors.

I think the issue is more stuff like if SB had 10bb and folded AA when BB had 1bb...

RIP DoN

the botters that play on FTP will also love it.

lol, thanks for thinking of me, I'm obviously disappointed about the news, but what can you do other than move on.

If I hadn't made SNE the decision would probably be a lot easier for me, but that throws a bit of a wrench into it. Now I think I'll just earn 50k VPP a month on Stars and start testing out other sites at the same time.

I agree though that the edge in Fifty50s at this rake level is way lower and maybe even virtually non-existent.

It doesn't make much sense to me either. I think fish love the simple format, which is why they were by far the most popular SNG format. Look at the Sharkscope leaderboards and you can see that they were by far the most beatable format as well. You will never get the actual reasons from Steve regarding the removal.

One thing I don't really understand is why shell out millions of dollars last June/July to reimburse DoN regs for the cheating scandal, with the likely intention of keeping them happy and on the site, only only to remove DoNs some months later. Seems like an incredible lack of foresight on Stars' part as many of these people will have long since forgotten Stars' goodwill gesture w/the reimbursement and will be leaving anyway.

other sne chaser obv leaving pokerstars, i had a very good exp playing there last year but i just dont get how they give us only a week to move up when most poker players have long term goals,

gl for others dons players