You guys don't understand: If you bumhunt u have to play the majority of your hands at normal tables, cause its higher fish factor at those tables.

Stars should make it minimum 35-40 bb for all tables in my opinion. Please just let the SS'ers *****. It's easy to beat shortstackers, but the case is that its just annyoing to have to adapt the whole time to SS'ers in blinds for example.

FT is delaying the roll out, but in the latest answers thread confirmed that among other things they *WILL* be raising the min buyin. How much remains to be seen.

As I said in the other thread about this, I'm predicting an amount that is just enough to piss off the SSers, but not enough to make the full stackers stop complaining.

Even a raise to 30BB wouldn't faze the fish but it would send SS ratholers back to the drawing boards to figure out optimal ranges with the bigger minimums.

40BB would be ideal, 35BB marginally acceptable.

The main problem isn't geared towards the stack size itself, but the practice of ratholing. I tend to think SS'ing itself is not unethical unless it goes hand in hand with the ratholing.

Stars took a good first step in making 50BB min tables. The perfect solution would be to make all tables 50BB min.

Barring that, they need to drastically increase the time you must wait before returning to a table. 90 minutes or 120 minutes would be a significant improvement.

making 50bb min is not a good idea in my eyes. there are a lot of huge fish who buy in for 30-50bb just to gamble a bit. they would be gone also or just go down 1 limit.

just increase the time for them to rejoin the tables to 6h and its alright. 6h means they can play every day their crap but not too long^^

Do not imagine that you will save yourselves, shortstackers. Never again will you be capable of ordinary human feeling. Everything will be dead inside you. Never again will you be capable of love, or friendship, or joy of living, or laughter, or curiosity, or courage, or integrity. You will be hollow. Full Tilt shall squeeze you empty and Pokerstars will follow suit.

Short stacking is not the problem. There are lots of fish that buy in for 20bbs, try to play post flop poker, and don't insta leave when they double up.

The problem is ratholing. I think that the best solution to this would be a cross table (same limit) anti-ratholing implementation.

Also, I think Stars would be the last ones to change this policy.

Whose fault is that? If you are going to complain about the fish ratio between the 2 different table types, you better be starting 50BB games and not taking the last seat a table full of regs.

Because the fish is more likely to play normal tables than 50 bb for some strange reason? Fish Ratio is much higher at normal tables. Tried to start tables, kinda fails each time cause regs is all over the place trying to get a seat right to the one and only fish.

50bb minimum on all tables across all levels, someone playing with $2 on a 10nl table can just as easily play with $2 on a 2nl table.
I really don't see why it's not this way, what's the point of 10nl or 100nl if half the players are playing with 20bb's.

I don't think anyone has a problem with someone buying in for half but the poker sites have always promoted ss play by letting people buy in for 20bb's, all they seem to care about is rake, but the ones generating the most rake are the big stacks while they get the same rb/points as the ss. This creates an imbalance that has to be addressed.

fish avoid the 50BB tables because they realise gambling at those tables always ends badly.

Even the deeper stacked fish like the protection the smaller stacks give them.

Well that is my theory at least and while I like the tables as is. I am willing to play the 20-100 tables because they are much softer in general.

poker is strategy..and playing short is a legal strategy.

MOST funny stars dont have many shortstackers, other sites have much more in my opinion.

If you can't beat short stackers quit now.

Short stackers keep the games alive.

You are an idiot if you think otherwise.

I'm patiently awaiting for stars support to enter the fray.

complaining about short stackers essentially = "they took our jobs"

"i am so stupid that i need to be in deep stack mentality 100% of the time."

Are we now gonna see this type of thread for every site?

table select better imo

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All the Stars shorties came out in this thread. I smell fear they must be afraid of stars banning rat-holing. They might have to learn to adjust like I have to adjust to 10+ shorties per wait list. I hope you guys die and rot in your holes like the rats you are.

But seriously why should rat holing be allowed in online poker but not in the real world?

more like I do table select, furiously. and there's two problems with your over simplified bull****:

short stacks prevent me from joining 1/3 of the tables or more.

when I do get on a solid table w/o a 50bb minimum shortstackers just jump on it like its nobody's business and the game is just absolutely pummeled in no time. Just to prove it, I just found this image in about 10 seconds of searching - color coding - PINK = SHORTSTACK.



The game is decent, deep stacks, one unknown, one shortstack, sounds fine. Then shortstacks just pile in and crash the party. gg.

EXACTLY. What we are left with on stars are tables full of regs and then tables half full of SSers, and half full of fish. I preferred it before the 50bb min were introduced.

My solution; why not have a maximum amount of shortstackers per table? Say two for FR and 1 for 6max. Ie. if a SSer finds a FR table already with two SSers seated then he/she has to move on, or alternatively buy in for >50bb's. This will keep a healthy balance of short/mid/full stackers at the tables.

It is the ONLY long term solution imo, and if all the sites (or just stars and ft) implement it a lot of people would be happier. I even think a lot of SSers would be content this way, because SSers don't like playing against a table of themselves.

I love all the shortstacking idiots who don't understand WHY they're an annoyance to full BI regulars. They reduce our ability to play IMPLIED odds hands because they jam over our isolations and we obviously can't call.

I don't understand why Stars' allows this from a business standpoint. They can't possibly be generating more rake than regulars. Not only because they jam preflop which doesn't generate rake, but it causes the tables to tighten up significantly.

Sounds like Nanonoko, Gogol, EriconTilt and all the other biggest winners.

how do u get colors on ur waiting list?

It really tilts me that SSers have painted full stack regs as people who whine and whine just because they cant beat SSers. The whole point of a SS strategy is that it is very hard (relatively) to exploit. And even if you can beat SSers your WR against them is going to be tiny.

Anyway, its obvious Stars will also have to do something because if they dont all the SS regs from FT will just move over there making the problem at Stars twice as bad. I dont see how a reasonable argument could be made that SSers are not a negative influence on the long term health of a poker site. See iPoker.