Hi,

I believe the majority consensus is that shortstackers are bad for poker; for all customers not shortstackers. Rival companies have already implemented or will implement a solution to this problem. I hope others will also offer up alternative solutions, but I believe that these are the easiest solutions.

Here are some of the solutions presented:

1) Raise the ratholing time limit.
This is no different than almost all casino's rules. If you get up at one table, you must rebuy for the same amount at another table.

2) Raise the minimum buyin to >40BB+
Again, higher end casinos tend to have 50BB table minimums or even 100BB minimums.

3) Create CAP tables like on Full Tilt. This way shortstackers can play the game how they like, with a short stack.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...ackers-650076/

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...1-26-a-643111/

While FTP has merely acknowledged the problem and said that a solution is coming, this is at least a step towards progression to cater to customer's requests. I am very interested in hearing what a Pokerstars representative has to say about this matter.

50bb minimum tables /thread?

If ALL tables are 50bb min tables, yes, this is the best solution. But by only having a half the tables 50bb and the other half 20bb we face the problem that the 50bb tables are full of regs because recreational players (even tho most of them dispise ratholers too) don't think about joining a 50bb table, they'll just pick one.

i'm pretty concerned about what will be situation in next month or two if FTP actually does something drastic. Stars will become shortstackers hell and it already pretty bad.

anotehr solution (btw all good ones are in that one thread about FTP i dont know which one) is to limit people who buy in 20bb to only playing like 4tables at a time. problem solved.

best learn to beat them !!

Do you want 43000 players with shortstackers or 12000 without ?

You can not 'lean to beat them' without giving up an edge over the rest of the table... -_-

12000 without.

why learn how to beat shortstackers and we can complain about shortstackers instead?

having options seems totally fair, and while id prefer every table be 50bb, it doesn't seem to be reasonably in PS's best interests.

lol this thread is going to turn in the same conv as always fullstacks vs shortstacks in about 3-4 more posts posting in another epic ss thread

If you dont like the way Stars handle it play somewhere else,if you dont like the wife stop whining and divorce her.........

and not to be sexist,if you dont like the old man divorce him........

I don't think it is in the poker sites interest to have a continually growing segment of shortstackers. It is too easy to learn and have a suffocating effect on the tables. The door is barely open now (Germany, Eastern Europe). What do you think will happen when Asia catches on?

Sooner or later the sites have to do something about it. Full Tilt has understood that having healthy tables is a competitive advantage for them.

When that happens some of the shortstackers will of course turn into set mining nits that grind out the same income via rakeback. Some of them will try and find out that they actually have to learn poker and quit. But overall it will benefit the long term health of online poker.

We have already seen what happens when the games become too bad in what happened to fixed limit. Granted, there the problem was overraking. But those games died and died faster than anyone could have imagined.

they wont be able to setmine at nl200+ and probably will have hard times at already nl100.

Maybe I'm not a short-stacker.
Maybe you're a tall-stacker. I hope the poker sites will do something about all of you tall-stackers for the good of poker

play the 50bb only, there are plenty on stars

you all are going to miss the shorts, they are such easy money. i dont get why anyone wants to change the way those people play...

I wouldn't assume the status quo. There used to be a healthy number of deep tables on FTP as well. A hoard of new short stackers flooding the lobbies with short tables along with an unfortunately timed mishap from Full Tilt in table locations in the lobby and now the deep table are all but nonexistent.

all min 50bb's tables + CAP games would be dream.

lol yes I'm sure Stars will have a nightmare if a hoard of players come to their site that constantly start tables, at a much faster rate than their beloved deep stackers.

shortstackers take the last two streets out of poker,this is where 90% of the skill and fun is.They are completely turning the games into a farse for everybody else.i think most good short stackers could learn to beat the game anyway as you need to be a reasonable poker player to understand how to do it...............PARTY POKER please follow suit from ftp and make my new year!

No, I'm certain they'll love it to start with. But there's a long term aspect and a short term aspect to this game.

There are thousands of pro rat holing short stackers at Full Tilt. They didn't just ban them on a whim. And while the hoards of people complaining about short stacking probably didn't hurt, nobody with half a brain is naive enough to think we were the sole or even a major factor in the final decision either. Full Tilt obviously decided that huge numbers of pro short stackers were in major conflict with the site's long term bottom line.

If Stars is only interested in the short term, or somehow believes hoards of professional rat holing short stackers are in their long term best interest then that's their prerogative.

They should make tables where you can only play if you have like 50bbs. Petition?

You can't really blame shortstackers for fish playing on their tables. 50BB table regs are ******s. They always take the last seat a table full of regs and most don't jump in HU and 3 handed games. There aren't games with seats available for fish to sit at. They don't table select, they just sit down at any table. It's the regs fault why they can't sit down at 50BB tables

Welcome them with open arms I suspect.

More players = more $$$ for PS.

i look forward to some new SS fish moving to stars from FTP.

Stars have plenty of 50bb tables already anyway, there is no need for them to change anything.

I want Stars to implement all the stupid things some people keep insisting "need" to be done so that they will see how wrong they are and how much worse the games will get.

Haven't been around for awhile: Do we even know what FT's big super-secret-awesome plan is yet? Complaining about how FT is addressing this issue when nobody even knows what they are going to do nor whether it will be the least bit beneficial to the games seems pretty strange.