hey, shortie why don't u buy in full and try to beat real games? are those game too tought to beat for u?

I buy into the 50 bb min buy in games im not a shortie.

gratz, now stfu and leave this thread. no sane person who plays full stacked would ever suggest to "just go play on 50bb min tables" and problem is solved allowing parasites to keep feeding from flaw in system.

Thanks for the update! I'm really really really hoping you guys make some changes- Definitely will be putting in all of my hands at stars if this does go down!

Man, playing poker on stars would just be so much more fun with the ratholers gone...

I declare SPANK in 1990s usenet fashion

TO ALL THE PEOPLE (SHORTSTACKERS) COMPLAINING ABOUT BEING FAIR AND MAKING CHANGES NEXT YEAR:

It is February!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Stars is already putting you on notice that shortstacking might not be around by April. You haven't even put 2 months into SNE!!!! What in God's green earth are you complaining about. If Stars did this in October, then you would have a legit gripe.

Start making plans now just in case things don't go your way. People seriously need to learn how to be more proactive!!!!!! I already put 20k on Full Tilt in case Stars decides to keep shortstackers.

If there are no sites that will allow you to shortstack then shouldn't that be a hint????

[ ] read more than five posts in this thread
[ ] understands the shortstacking issue thoroughly
[x] definitely not bright


also FTP just started giving rakeback to players who couldn't get it before- so the VIP program combined with no rakeback at FTP issue that kept myself and a lot of other regs from leaving stars will be gone soon, allowing more and more regs to make the switch over...
+1000 to if shortstacking persists as it is the games will die very soon

Both Party Poker and Everest are now on board to fix this problem. Let's hope Stars does as well.

1. This is not mid-year, it's only 15% into the year. Also, Stars making VIP changes during the year is not the same as Stars making buyin changes.

2. The joke would be for Stars to knowingly let this exploit go on for an entire year longer, to the detriment of other players, and the quality of Stars games.

3. It is very unlikely that you will lose the ability to play your short strategy. You will still get to buyin short at shallow or CAP tables and play the game you prefer. Unless your only SSing for the exploit, (and that's how you come off) you should not be bothered that you have to actually use your *gasp* 'skill' to beat others at the pokers now.

considering the way they have run the VIP system this could impact some of their players significantly. I agree with his point reguardless of if you like SSing or not.

This thread is a farce as usual with the debate since all anybody cares about is their bottom line so neither side is going to give an inch.


1. It will be made in mid april not now. I think stars should make a choice ASAP or wait for the end of the year.

2. They have known about this for a while. Nothing new.

3. full stackers didn't like their 50-100 tables, why would the shallows like the 20-40.




Anyway I think we should work on the bigger issues. Why don't we elimate FR so everyone has to play 6max where they can't play stupidly tight and grind a profit by playing so many tables.


Think that would interesting

Theres no shorties on the 50 bb tables.
Oh so what what you want is the 35 bb min buy in tables, if this happens then you will have to get rid of the 50bb min buy in tables and those players on the 50 bb min buy in tables will be playing in the 35 bb min buy in tables. You think this will increase your edge right?

Thanks for the update Steve.

Lol SS logic

35bb EUR tables are the most playable tables on PS although most of the fullstack regs from the 50bb world play on the 35bb EUR tables too.

Can i ask what makes the 35 bb min buy in tables more playable then the 50bb min buy in tables?
Pokerstars is listening lets hear it.

it's sad when someone has to predent to be fullstacker when he's actually another parasite that soon will bite the dust. i know, i know "nobody cares about ratholers arguments, because everyone hates them". no, i mean yes, everyone hates them, but they just don't have any valid arguments to come up with, they just exploit flaw in system parasiting on players who play with full stacks, simple as that.

WTF i play in the 50 bb min tables . why you so afraid of 50 bb min tables?

i am a misdtakes player and i tried playing on stars earlier this year but it was simply awful because of all the ratholers (many times i'd be the only full stack at my table) so i had to go back to full tilt. a min of 35bb would be great.

Why didnt you eliminate this problem by playing in the 50 bb min buy in tables?

hey, no offence bud, but why don't u kill yourself so people won't waste their time quoting u everytime u make your "go play on 50bb min tables" BS solution and try to explain u why ratholers are ruining games?

When I play on the 50bb tables, I am playing the same 8 opponents on basically all my tables... Ok maybe theres a few randoms in there. But its basically the same regs all playing eachother. A huge part of being a winning poker player is table selection believe it or not. That may be a tough concept for shorties like you to comprehend. Most of the fish play at the default(20bb tables) tables, so in order to play with them, we have to sit with the 5,6,7 shorties and completely change our game up.

so not only do you want games to play in you want to take from others lol



Does this mean the shortstack pros that stars has employed will now be fired(if the change goes ahead)?

i don't get what u were trying to say in 1st part of your post, but about 2nd part of your post - no, they won't be fired, they will have shallow/cap tables. they will be "special" or they could actually learn how to play postflop, isn't that great?

Another irritating thing, is the constant argument that sser's generate more rake for the site, when the majority of their hands are decided preflop and infact generate no rake, I think sweeping generalisation like this really require more evidence.... sometimes i think it'd be funny if there was rake preflop :S.... would certainly piss off a lot of sser's, but at least they'd be paying their share of rake

Well if PS would get rid of SSers Iam moving whole my roll there !

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