I really do love the persistence of the fast food industry jokes. It makes no sense cause most poker players would get **** canned from McDonald's et al first day on the job.

I was kinda hoping they'd wait a little longer even, say July or August. That way once the decision is made, the shortstackers will be like "oh fine, i'll play with a full stack".

I wasn't aware it was "shortstacker friendly". Who all is on it?

I am glad stars is really going to fix this.

I hope Stars makes the right decision.

We don't know this for sure.

yay! i'm happily returning to stars as soon as the good news come. =)

I'm using my one time

I am going to deposit today and move my roll over from UB in the hopes stars gets rid of the shortstackers/ratholers.

Do pople really think if the buyin was 35+bb that the current 20 bb shortstackers are going to just start giving away their money? the answer is NO

Don't give me that fish talk about shortstacks aren't fun for the game, thats BS- anyone that takes poker seriously isn't in it for fun but for the money. The people who get mad about the shove allins- you realise the only differene is that with 35+ bb those shoves turn into 3 bets. Those 3 bets come from everyone who is now playing 13/12 so have fun with that.


If you currently make $40+/hr (which a monkey could do playing poker) and you didn't go to college for 4+ years you really should stop being an ungrateful sob which I think 90% of the complainers fall under.


I think right now the tables are the best they've been- plenty of fish playing above the levels they should be. If all of a sudden the fish see 100 bb stacks all around him you know where he gos? the level or two below. If you aren't winning IT IS NOT BECAUSE OF SS'S

The problem with allowing SS is that in combination with the sign up bonus its possible to teach anyone a break even/slightly losing strategy.

It's also easy to program a bot to play SS with 20bb

This allows cheaters to keep signing up for new accounts to bonus whore the bonuses

The games at FTP have been much better after giving SS their own tables.

I have personally been playing much more at FTP recently.

If Stars decides to make most tables 35bb min I will give them much more action.

Instead of giving a date of mid April why couldn't you have said SOON

For now, only David Sklansky, me and Mason Malmuth

There's some truth to this statement...shortstackers aren't going to just stop playing because the min buyin is raised. BAD shortstackers will move down, GOOD shortstackers will simply adjust their strategy to a 35bb stack and be almost as dangerous. I think what you'll see is the games at NL100+ get tougher, not easier, because of how many poor players will move down to the stakes they "ought" to be playing with a fullstack.

Also, I do think there's an issue of basic fairness to consider here, with regards to shortstackers who are pursuing SNE (like me). Stars has setup a rewards system that, to attain the maximum value from it, requires a serious plan and extreme dedication to that plan. For SNE 2010, many plans have been made and are being dutifully followed that include shortstacking, because as of January 1, 2010, shortstacking was legal on Stars.

SNE is meant to inspire loyalty and high-volume play. It works for PokerStars. Changing the rules in the middle of a calendar year, with so many diligently pursuing the goal of SNE, is grossly unfair to those who have already put in hundreds of hours pursuing this (just like Stars wanted us to).

So...IF they are to make a change (which again I'm not sure would have the impact you guys really want), they ought to announce that such a change will begin January 1, 2011. This way, people who began their 2010 SNE pursuit can finish it according to the same rules they planned for when they started it, and people will have ample time to decide whether and how to pursue 2011 SNE.

I'm sure Stars will have 20-40bb tables similar to FTP.

If you want to buy in short, move to the short/cap tables. Sound familiar?

Hmm... this seems... fair... reasonable...

Extremely fair and reasonable.

OR...if you wanna play exclusively deep, play at the deep tables that Stars ALREADY CREATED FOR YOU! Jeez...the "if you wanna play short, play the short tables" argument sounds really lame from people who already have that option for the style of poker they want to play.

My way ensures the rules aren't changed mid-stream for SNE pursuers...for the most part, given Stars loyalty system, the major rules that applied January 1 of a given year ought to apply December 31 of that same year. Rules changes should be ANNOUNCED early on but not implemented until a resetting of VPP's happens, given what all is riding on those VPP's.

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You say this as if the ones playing real poker should be expected to be happy just to have a place to play lol. You sir are the ones that are the minority looking to turn tables into a distorted abomination of the game. You go sit at the side tables with others of your creed while we actually play poker at the main tables.

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Agreed

I'll attempt SNE if there are no shortstackers. I plan on getting around 500k vpp's otherwise.

You fundamentally misunderstand my argument.

YOU are the one who has defined what "real poker" is according to your own preferences, defining it exclusively as deepstack poker. Up to and including today, Stars (the ultimate arbiter if you play at Stars) has disagreed with you, thus giving you the Side Tables and leaving the Main Tables open to a wide array of buyin preferences.

My argument is not that my/their current definitions are right and yours are wrong (though I feel that way, it isn't my argument). My argument is that changing that definition mid-stream is fundamentally unfair within a rewards structure as intense and calendar-year specific as Supernova Elite.

If Stars ultimately decides to re-define this thing, they should announce that change ASAP and implement it January 1, 2011, so as not to screw over people who have only been doing what they have allowed (shortstacking) and encouraged (exclusively grinding there at a very high volume).

Stars can do whatever they want but they better know that FTP has already fixed the situation.


If they keep shortstackers at stars they will lose ALOT of people who are actually paying the rake at Stars to FTP and keeping the people who just sit back most of the time and get paid from the bigger stacks rake.