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07-20-2011 , 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by stokkbroker

I like having that little bit of extra time when all-in pre flop to see what hand I am up against and determine my equity before the flop comes. I also like a little slower dealing of board cards to have a little better time calculating equity as the board-cards are being dealt.

Allthough I cant speak for recreational players, I would imagine they enjoy the sweat of being allin and having some time seeing the board cards being dealt, not that its over really fast. Would imagine it takes a little of the fun away for them. And many of them probably arent so skilled in calculating equity on different streets, so for them they might not be able to follow their equity very well when the cards are dealt fast, maybe taking away some of the fun and sweat.
Since when did Stars care for recreational players?

The last time I saw a thread discussing this there were a few asking if they could just deal all 5 cards at once to make it even quicker so this will be overwhelmingly popular for 2+2 and 16 table grinders, that's what counts.

If you want to speed the games up then stop the multitablers who can't multitable timing down every hand. But no, any newbie who's watched one Cardrunners vid and thinks he's a baller can sign up and instantly time down 16 tables all night.
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07-20-2011 , 04:43 PM
wow, 12-tabling turbos just stressed the hell out of me (normally about 16).

good thing & wp PS though, imo. just gotta adept to this.
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07-20-2011 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by stokkbroker
Hello Steve.
I like all the changes, accept this one.



I like having that little bit of extra time when all-in pre flop to see what hand I am up against and determine my equity before the flop comes. I also like a little slower dealing of board cards to have a little better time calculating equity as the board-cards are being dealt.

Allthough I cant speak for recreational players, I would imagine they enjoy the sweat of being allin and having some time seeing the board cards being dealt, not that its over really fast. Would imagine it takes a little of the fun away for them. And many of them probably arent so skilled in calculating equity on different streets, so for them they might not be able to follow their equity very well when the cards are dealt fast, maybe taking away some of the fun and sweat.
I agree with this. recreational players being happy is what keeps me happy. if cards are dealt twice as fast, the sweat of the cards is only half as fun. recreational players will not like this change so i do not either.
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07-20-2011 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruut99
i play around 1800 hands an hour playing 20-24 tables of 6max/fullring cash. How many hands do i get more now ? 50?
Think its for SNG only?! So... 0?
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07-20-2011 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Silent_0ne
I agree with this. recreational players being happy is what keeps me happy. if cards are dealt twice as fast, the sweat of the cards is only half as fun. recreational players will not like this change so i do not either.
They could keep the speed the same and raise the rake. Recreational players wouldn't notice/care if the pot is raked earlier.
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07-20-2011 , 04:55 PM
i approve
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07-20-2011 , 05:07 PM
had you done this 5 years ago I prolly would have been a stars reg...
better late than never.
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07-20-2011 , 05:25 PM
I thought it was my meds kicking in...
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07-20-2011 , 05:53 PM
Still too slow, why does it take a lifetime for chips to be given to winner of pot and then an extra second Before the hand is dealt, way too slow .
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07-20-2011 , 05:54 PM
i may have done the math wrong here. But isn't this a large increase in hands/hour for massive grinders? Esp at cap

I will use myself as an example. FR NL 24 tabling average 1500 hands/hour.

Taking 1 second away per hand on average would be 1500 seconds, 25 minutes.

I average playing 25 hands/minute. So I would see an increase of 625 hands/hour. OR am I just punting the math all over the place here?

Even cut that in half and say .5 seconds/hand or 312 hands/hour, this would increase my vpp rate by 150vpps/hour. I think i must be doing something totally wrong here in my math though. Seems far too good to be true.
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07-20-2011 , 05:54 PM
I complained about the slowness for soooo long.... and now I can't play on Stars...

F my government.
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07-20-2011 , 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruut99
i play around 1800 hands an hour playing 20-24 tables of 6max/fullring cash. How many hands do i get more now ? 50?
Why don't you play for 1 hour and see by yourself ?
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07-20-2011 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by bardolino
I complained about the slowness for soooo long.... and now I can't play on Stars...

F my government.
If we were still able to play on Stars, they would have made no changes.
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07-20-2011 , 06:12 PM
So no more building suspense before the 2 outer hits on the river?
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07-20-2011 , 06:15 PM
I like this change. I played on Pokerstars originally and never noticed the slow dealing speed. Then I moved to Full Tilt for a bit, and when I came back to Pokerstars, I thought maybe the software was broken, or like a kids toy that needed its batteries changed.

Even if some players are surprised now, I think after these changes have been around a month, players will like them and won't even notice them. I've never seen a 2+2 thread that said, "Hey poker site xxxx! Stop dealing the board cards so fast!"

I really like these changes.

Note that I am primarily a ring game player and a CAP game player, and this post should be taken with that in mind. I can't really comment on the Super Turbo SNGs (where the change is more significant because it may actually alter the game play).

But even if you continue tweaking the super turbos, please leave the ring game changes. All-ins feel much more streamlined now.
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07-20-2011 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by stokkbroker
I like having that little bit of extra time when all-in pre flop to see what hand I am up against and determine my equity before the flop comes. I also like a little slower dealing of board cards to have a little better time calculating equity as the board-cards are being dealt.

Allthough I cant speak for recreational players, I would imagine they enjoy the sweat of being allin and having some time seeing the board cards being dealt, not that its over really fast. Would imagine it takes a little of the fun away for them. And many of them probably arent so skilled in calculating equity on different streets, so for them they might not be able to follow their equity very well when the cards are dealt fast, maybe taking away some of the fun and sweat.
Agreed, for sngs anyhow. Even without any equity analysis, it's nice to at least be able to figure out what card you need to hit to win. I imagine recreational players would especially miss this, as there's basically no sweat anymore.

Somewhere between the old and new speeds would be perfect imo.
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07-20-2011 , 06:32 PM
loving the changes...
A bit concerned about what the fishes would think about this!!!!

GJ pokerstars...
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07-20-2011 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdurdenptp
i may have done the math wrong here. But isn't this a large increase in hands/hour for massive grinders? Esp at cap

I will use myself as an example. FR NL 24 tabling average 1500 hands/hour.

Taking 1 second away per hand on average would be 1500 seconds, 25 minutes.

I average playing 25 hands/minute. So I would see an increase of 625 hands/hour. OR am I just punting the math all over the place here?

Even cut that in half and say .5 seconds/hand or 312 hands/hour, this would increase my vpp rate by 150vpps/hour. I think i must be doing something totally wrong here in my math though. Seems far too good to be true.
You can't automatically see that 1 second per hand isn't going to make a 40+% difference to the amount of hands you see?
really?
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07-20-2011 , 07:00 PM
I can kind of see why you might want to keep the 20 tabling grinders happy while they're roboting their multiple Hyper MTT tables but why do the recreational players of regular speed Heads Up SNGs need to save a vital second during the odd all in?

Speeding up the chip movement I can understand because it happens after every hand but saving a few crucial seconds on the couple of all ins that happen over a 15-20 minutes heads up game doesn't make any sense at all. It's lightning fast, I don't think fish will have time to sweat their hands in the most exciting part of the match for them. Why are we trying to shave a few seconds off a 20 minute heads up match?
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07-20-2011 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MegaOuts
Yes is a huge improvement for 'YOU', and for me but such a bad change for the fish and casually player. Remember Paradise poker? When you hit a huge hand there is fire, sometime is lightning, it give a nice feeling for the casual player to slowly sweat a big hand. Fishes is our customers, and customers is our boss. I have no idea why star listen to reg who grind 16+ table. You lose the fishes, you lose the regs! You lose the regs, you still have the fishes, maybe even more fishes.
LOL people are always trying to make it better for these magical "fish" that are somehow out there and in danger of quitting the game if everything isn't dumbed down for them. Dude, it's not PartyPoker from 2005. If you're still playing online poker at this point, you're a reg.

Also, the main reason for this, even more than satisfying the "regs" is that it speeds up the games and thus increases rake a.k.a. profits for PokerStars.
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07-20-2011 , 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by synth_floyd
LOL people are always trying to make it better for these magical "fish" that are somehow out there and in danger of quitting the game. Dude, it's not PartyPoker from 2005. If you're still playing online poker at this point, you're a reg.
What?
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07-20-2011 , 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by mrdurdenptp
i may have done the math wrong here. But isn't this a large increase in hands/hour for massive grinders? Esp at cap

I will use myself as an example. FR NL 24 tabling average 1500 hands/hour.

Taking 1 second away per hand on average would be 1500 seconds, 25 minutes.

I average playing 25 hands/minute. So I would see an increase of 625 hands/hour. OR am I just punting the math all over the place here?

Even cut that in half and say .5 seconds/hand or 312 hands/hour, this would increase my vpp rate by 150vpps/hour. I think i must be doing something totally wrong here in my math though. Seems far too good to be true.
25 table*minutes so more like 1 minute or ~25 hands per hour in your case
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07-20-2011 , 07:22 PM
Really enjoying this change Steve. Fastplaying a hand has never been easier, it gives the recs in my SNGs much less time to think whether their garbage is good or not.

It also eliminates the horrible three-outer river sweat that previously stopped me concentrating on all of my tables. +1
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07-20-2011 , 07:43 PM
I'm playing a few Hyper sit and go's while on vacation on a mobile backup connection I use, and at first I thought I had massive lag and that the software was making up for it by fast dealing that happens sometimes when I reconnect from a network hiccup.

It's good to know this is how the software is supposed to act, since I was so used to PokerStars serving hands so slow especially the gap between the end of the first hand and the second dealt.

It will take some getting used to, but I like the change overall. It seems like this will make time bank tweaking as a strategy a lot less common.
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07-20-2011 , 07:58 PM
Just wanna point out something to the critics itt:

It's still really slow. Its not like the cards are just thrown out in rapidfire mode.
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