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07-21-2011 , 08:10 AM
Looking forward to trying this out tomorrow. Good one stars!
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07-21-2011 , 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Quasar
i hate the change in showdown speed. there's just no time to take in the implications of the flop and turn now which is all part of the enjoyment of the game.

seems to me stars may as well do away with the animation for dealing the board cards in an allin situation altogether and just shove the chips to the winner. if anyone is interested in what the cards were they can use the hand history
That's ridiculous. The cards aren't that fast. If you are ahead when all-in, you should be happy to quickly see the river and see that you won, or lost. Not get sick when the flop gives the guy Open-ended straight and flush draws.

I don't think there is much enjoyment seeing the cards slowly peel off when you are all-in. But of-course, that's my personal opinion.


Someone complained about not being able to think about the board.

You can still see the cards well enough - unless you are especially slow of mind, you'll have plenty of time to analyze the board. What are you looking for anyway? Who cares what the exact odds were for you to win/lose? You want detailed analysis you can do so after the game.

Don't be so result oriented that you need to watch the flop and over-analyze it when all actions are completed. Once you see your opponents cards you should already know the % you have to win or lose. What happens on the board is unavoidable and should not change your game-play one bit - so why analyze it?
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07-21-2011 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by maryn
pls do waiting lists like on ftp where they add u to wl on every table and as soon as one is free u get lobby with vpip/stacks/avg pot etc pop up
No no no! The waiting lists at FTP are far too long - you'll be lucky to get a game in weeks.
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07-21-2011 , 08:27 AM
I like the changes.

One thing that would improve all-in showdowns is to always show hole cards. I really hate those spoilsport shortstackers (usually) who choose not to show their hole cards for all-ins. Makes the card turning seem much slower.
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07-21-2011 , 08:31 AM
Its a little too fast i think. I like it for me but not for fish

when my mohter or father is playing poker they are always like what is happening, what cards do i need now etc, they can barely keep up, now the showdown is over before they know that they are allin
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07-21-2011 , 08:49 AM
Stars had to speed up play since they KILLED the SNG's. Maybe now the games will finish quicker so we can register for new games.

Seems like the speed change is to mask the real issues of "the SNG erosion"
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07-21-2011 , 09:12 AM
Reminds me of Party Poker and losing to runner runner flushes in .3 seconds lol

I think I like overall, but it makes playing a lot of sit and gos harder.

It is a big benefit to cash game players I think though.
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07-21-2011 , 09:44 AM
I think this is a good change, it's definitely reduced tilt for me as now I don't have to wait so long for the fish to spike his Ace on the river.
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07-21-2011 , 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by mme
no idea if this is a good idea or not. penalty for timing out should have a much greater effect i guess.

time out on one table ..get seconds minus X on all other tables for the next move.
If you want to speed up the SNGs then stop the mass multitabling noobs who would struggle to 2 table. A new to poker player shouldn't be able to load up the same amount of tables as a seasoned grinder table ninja'ing. The games just turn to crawling speed.

You should have to prove you can do it. A new sign up should have a limited amount of tables. The software could count your time bank usage and if it's a small amount over a certain amount of time then increase your amount of tables and if it falls below a certain average it should decrease the amount of tables. They could have an option to display your average time in the client with the amount of tables this amount of time can play.

But less tables is less rake so I can never see it happening. We'll just have to be happy with shaving a second of the odd all in.
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07-21-2011 , 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by HardcoreGamer
If you want to speed up the SNGs then stop the mass multitabling noobs who would struggle to 2 table. A new to poker player shouldn't be able to load up the same amount of tables as a seasoned grinder table ninja'ing. The games just turn to crawling speed.

You should have to prove you can do it. A new sign up should have a limited amount of tables. The software could count your time bank usage and if it's a small amount over a certain amount of time then increase your amount of tables and if it falls below a certain average it should decrease the amount of tables. They could have an option to display your average time in the client with the amount of tables this amount of time can play.

But less tables is less rake so I can never see it happening. We'll just have to be happy with shaving a second of the odd all in.
I like this. I'm not sure it would reduce rake actually. Because each table would be achieving higher hand rate and each player would be playing to their upper limit, it might actually increase rake rate ($/hour across same players). I think some serious behavioural modeling would be needed to analyse it properly, but I'm guessing Stars employs some very bright people to do just that, since rake/hour must be a key metric for them.

Last edited by gothninja; 07-21-2011 at 10:24 AM.
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07-21-2011 , 10:22 AM
I like the speed increase with dealing cards when players are all-in, but as many have said, I think it's a little too fast now.
I always liked the speed used at Full Tilt, which is somewhere in the middle of PS's old speed and PS's new speed.

It would be great if Stars would also take the middle, but while doing that also increase the speed of pushing the pot to the winner, etc. That would still speed things up a lot, but still give the fish the enjoyment of sweating the turn/river without it being as slow as it used to be on PS.

Also, in SnGs it would be great if PS would speed-up the next hand dealt after a blind level increase. For example: When the blinds go up, the play is delayed for like 3 seconds before the next hand is dealt. Remove that delay, Full Tilt never had such a delay either.
Also, when playing a HU SnG the first hand gets dealt after the initial 10 seconds wait before the SnG stars, but after the first hand there is a 3-5 seconds delay before the second of the SnG is dealt. Also why use a delay there? Remove it.
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07-21-2011 , 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by damanrico
...I always liked the speed used at Full Tilt, which is somewhere in the middle of PS's old speed and PS's new speed...
Full Tilt players complaining Stars software is too fast? Wow.
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07-21-2011 , 10:36 AM
Very nice improvement.
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07-21-2011 , 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
Full Tilt players complaining Stars software is too fast? Wow.
Haha, only with dealing the cards when players are all-in. And only after this speed increase.
Basicly my point is that PS can save a lot more time by speeding up things like shipping the pot the winner, etc. So they don't have to speed-up the dealing of the cards when players are all-in by this much.
Saving the same time by speeding-up other things while keeping the fish happy with sweating the cards peal off is what is the best solution imo.
BTW: I'm only talking with HU SnG experience. I have no clue how fast cards are dealt at ring games, etc.
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07-21-2011 , 10:40 AM
Please find more places to increase speed. It is a joke how long some things take...
There is no need to do it in one big software change, but persist of improving hands/hr please.

Best,
Cherufe
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07-21-2011 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
I like this. I'm not sure it would reduce rake actually. Because each table would be achieving higher hand rate and each player would be playing to their upper limit, it might actually increase rake rate ($/hour across same players). I think some serious behavioural modeling would be needed to analyse it properly, but I'm guessing Stars employs some very bright people to do just that, since rake/hour must be a key metric for them.
There isn't really a lot of programing to go into it. If you're timing down every decision even with junk and continually clicking the "I'm back" button then you're playing too many tables. I thought the time bank was there for you to think about a tough decision not so you can carry on at a completely different set of tables because you can't keep up.
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07-21-2011 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by HardcoreGamer
...continually clicking the "I'm back" button...
Software which does that should definitely be banned. That would help a lot to deal with rogue multitablers.
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07-21-2011 , 10:51 AM
love it! tytyt
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07-21-2011 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by HardcoreGamer
There isn't really a lot of programing to go into it...
Never said there was. Just that it would take some modeling to work out if such a change would increase or decrease rake. And the modeling would need to include analysis of how player behaviour would be affected by the change.

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Originally Posted by HardcoreGamer
...If you're timing down every decision even with junk and continually clicking the "I'm back" button then you're playing too many tables....
... and hurting rake/hour for those tables = my point.
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07-21-2011 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by gothninja
Software which does that should definitely be banned. That would help a lot to deal with rogue multitablers.
Yeah I do find it very useful, but it's a little bit like writing a bot that can do Captchas imo.

Last edited by MetalSpork; 07-21-2011 at 10:56 AM. Reason: IB4 Captcha comparison flaming
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07-21-2011 , 11:11 AM
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Originally Posted by mrdurdenptp
i may have done the math wrong here. But isn't this a large increase in hands/hour for massive grinders? Esp at cap

I will use myself as an example. FR NL 24 tabling average 1500 hands/hour.

Taking 1 second away per hand on average would be 1500 seconds, 25 minutes.

I average playing 25 hands/minute. So I would see an increase of 625 hands/hour. OR am I just punting the math all over the place here?

Even cut that in half and say .5 seconds/hand or 312 hands/hour, this would increase my vpp rate by 150vpps/hour. I think i must be doing something totally wrong here in my math though. Seems far too good to be true.
You need to divide by the number of tables, you save 25 table minutes not 25 session minutes.
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07-21-2011 , 11:32 AM
For ring games I feel the time to act is fine, if you could speed up the actual dealing of the cards though, that would be awesome. Anything that can increase the hands dealt per hour would be great, just don't decrease the player's time to act. If players want less time to act they can play on "fast" tables.
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07-21-2011 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Arnie591
You can still see the cards well enough - unless you are especially slow of mind, you'll have plenty of time to analyze the board. What are you looking for anyway? Who cares what the exact odds were for you to win/lose? You want detailed analysis you can do so after the game.
please keep in mind that reason may not be being slow in mind. not everybody out there has good eyesight. so slow enough for you* may be too fast for others even if their braincells are working way faster than yours.
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07-21-2011 , 11:56 AM
Although cash game players will benefit from this as they have more hands/hour = vpp/hour = profit/hour, there is not much benefit of this to SnG grinders.

SnG players will still play more hands in each SnG, but those SnG will probably take about the same time to finish and as you will play less of them because of higher speed, you will actually not increase but decrease your volume a little bit. Or its just me feeling this, I havent played a session yet to try.
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07-21-2011 , 12:10 PM
Love the changes, solid update
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