Based on my gigantic sample of 18 games, average length so far is 14.5 minutes, compared to 11.2 minutes over my whole database. This is pretty much what I expected from looking at the structure. I agree with the other poster that the 50/100 level is the most significant for reducing edge. I think roi will go up by about 20% as well.

Good to see the 1 minute at the start has been scrapped Now just get the nbi games out of our lobby and I will be happy

well, i refer to the discussion of the avg duration of a sng:

Lets say u play a 9max sng:
People will bust earlier since the blinds at the early stages increases faster. Then, shorthanded the blinds are slightly less than they were used to be and it will take (just a little bit) longer for ppl to bust, this means that the players who busted at the beginning will register for a new sng faster --> more $$$ for stars

AND STARS...selling it as an improvement (or even as an reduction of rake LOOOOL ) is very smart...if monkeys (yea, i mean real monkeys) played on your site

hopefully we can do smth against it (player strike, etc), cause i really like(d) playing on stars, but looking at it now it may leaves no other option than to leave and sign up at another poker room

this is so bad...was looking forward to the changes.
Why not rounded number for buy-ins with the same % of rake and then a lower rake.

Good job killing sng traffic

make the rake inconsistent then... how can you make it higher? a lot of regs are going to other sites

Certainly hope you are correct

This rake change is like tax cuts for the rich and tax hikes for the blue-collar workers. Looks like Pokerstars is taking a page out of the Reaganomics book. Trickle-down, etc. Well played sir, well played.

So after screwing mico players for years on sng rake comparitively, Stars decides to fix things by absolutely ****ing them.

Well played indeed.

Laugh. So true.

Rematch button disappeared again?

As a 45/180 reg, I can say I am done.
Was going for Supernova, but all those changes are enough for me.
GG Stars.

Why are you doing this to us? Even in micros >10% rake is outrageous. Is the extra money you expect to make from increasing rake in e.g. $1 games really worth screwing up micro players? I wouldn't play micros if I were good enough to beat the rake with a big margin.

Why did you add more low-blind levels? I wouldn't play turbo SNGs if I wanted to play post-flop poker. I understand the levels are now 3 minutes but overall the structure is slower in early game.

Why have you changed the payout structure in e.g. $1 45s? The old one: $14, $10, $7, $5, $4, $3, $2. The new one: $13.97, $9.67, $7.42, $5.62, $4.05, $2.70, $1.57. I really can't understand the motivation for replacing even payouts with random payouts.

Adding $1 180s seems like a really bad idea. The $2 buy-in was just high enough that you could make a decent living.

Not a huge fan of standardized buy-ins because it seems to lower most buy-ins. Buy-ins had already effectively decreased over the years due to inflation.

Huge timebanks in turbos seem weird right now. Not yet sure of the consequences.

The only positive change I can think of right now is 10% antes. Maybe adding levels between 100/200/20 and 200/400/40 is a good change too.

Overall I think the changes are just awful and should be re-evaluated fast. I really can't understand how you came up with them.

Who the heck asked for consistency? We are not cuba where just everyone gets not enough food.
And, looking at there finances, YOU don't wanna be cuba either.

What we ask for are 3 things:

- Value us as costumers! This means, don't use lame excuses such as "consistency". Successful poker player are over average-smart people, we don't fall for that crap.
Please, just try to be honest and straight forward. Don't lie to us by saying "most of the players will benefit from the changes." - $16s were the most successful sng form around and > 80% of the player pool play low limits who got screwed with this. There are many more examples. Value us, or, eventually - even if you can't imagine this - we'll leave.


- Try not to rip us off. I have paid over $500 in rake this month only on your site. I just wanna live off your games and you make it really hard. Why don't you try to understand your part and our part of this business as an alliance and create a win-win situation? I know, fishes are another part - certainly consider them to. But some things you do where you think it is win-win is really win-lose, if that. Most of there win-lose situations turn out to be lose-lose in the end. If you want me to go into detail here, just say a word.


- Leave our games in peace! Really, we just want to grind out our normal games, day by day, and make a living. With these constant changes in your VIP programs, blind structures, MTT schedules and so on, you put a lot of stress on all of us, which can't be what you want to achieve. I know, right now there are some factors you couldn't influence (hi @black friday) that enforce that feeling, but keep it in mind.


So long,
ReVo

+1

+1
Gets my vote for the best post.

But on reflection, who wants to remain blue collar for long?

I understand, that Steve is just spokesmen here. Those changes are to big to be made at this critical time without realy solid reasons. Basicly from today PS becomes FTP (without rush poker and multi entry tourneys yet). Its FTP structure, FTP multientry lobbys, FTP superturbos, increasing rake like FTP did to full ring etc.

Question is WHY??? People loved pokerstars for everything they lost now - good structure, good loyalty program, stability (wich means not changing everything in one day). Most importan FTP proved that many changes they made where bad in long run. Best example multientry lobbys at HUSNG. It simply exposed all regs to fish and recreational players started avoiding this form of poker all together. I mean its so easy to check FTP lost its traffic at hu sngs while PS till this day (even after Balck Friday) has deasent players flow. With one simple change sngs become hu cash game tables in terms of registering. How long it will take even a reetard to understand its better to avoid same bunch of names siting in the lobby almost every day and not playing each other. So sick. PS will loose trafick and rake. Why to do it in first place? So many peoples complained about FTP structure and gave PS structure as an example. And so on.

So why PS did it? Totaly lost. One thing is clear - in Europien market competition is realy brutal and priority number 1 for any site right now is to create enviroment, where old and new player would feel safe and confortable. When i see changes like this where almost everybody shouts its a mess it makes me wonder what goin on.

“You know Pokerstars, the least you could do is kiss me first because I like to be kissed before I get ****ed!”

+1

Additionally, why such a large changes are made on peak hours??? Without any notification the most important people here - us - players, that there will be such a mess?! Few hours ago I've seen 180mans with 3, 5 and 6 minutes blinds and I was like WTF is going on? Is it so hard to make some testing during night hours in Europe, when there is no US players after Black friday?

I'm really confused and disappointed after what just happened, considering transferring to FTP...

gg stars.

I have a suggestion why dont u just follow party and make it 20% rake, theres a reason we play at stars u stupid gredy morons, and that reason is ,or was, u listened to ur player and keept the rake fair. it not like euros dont have any other options. Well played stars.

FU

So u *** ur most loyal customers ? u sir should be ashamed!

Will Stars consider lowering the rake on the high stakes hypers? The rake for all other SNGs goes down as the buy ins go up. The hypers have the same rake on the $20s as they do the $357s. Thanks.

I actually quite like the new structures. Now i can actually play some real postflop pokerz without having to play in those sngs that take 4hrs to finish.

so did pokerstars think that that players would like this change ?

+1, this was a reason why many HUSNG regs still had to put up with full tilt

agreed I moved to fulltilt for this reason and was going to re-deposit on stars but not going to bother if theres only 1 lobby.

love the new hyper turbo sng's