STARS Change the rake system to CONTRIBUTED and all rb whoring SS players will be gone.

You mad?

of course it is, are you kidding?

Just a quick note to Stars that if you want the NLO8 games to take off you might want to fix something so it's easier to find. They're listed as 20-100 and only accessible by filtering for "Other" Buy-In.

Nope, not at all. It will loosen up the game and remove all ****** 8/6 nits

Why is there a max buy-in to the cap games? A min buy-in is needed, but a max makes no different, but I guess it can still intimidate fish.

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No it's not. Not even close.

There was discrimination going on in BBV4L a couple years ago and I made a huge stink about it, self banned for a week in protest, and ultimately PMed Mason about it.

Discrimination is not cool.

nit

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PokerStars Steve - In the "Auto-buy-in (ring games)" preferences, the CAP games are not listed so the player cannot setup a default buyin amount like you can for every other type of table. Is this going to change?

Also is giving CAP its own tab something that is confirmed and will happen, or just a possibility at this point? I don't see why it needs its own tab when players can easily filter them in or out depending on their preference to play CAP or not.

Avatars of men 1 step from ****ing on 2p2 isn't going to advance the gay agenda.

[edit: no reason to get offensive, but banning one and leaving the other is not cool mr mod]

Yes and all of the instances you listed would force players to adjust and learn the best way to play that game. My main point is that everyone would be better off working on improving their game instead of taking to the forums to cry and make excuses for why they can't win/don't win as much as they use to. I just started shortstacking and honestly didn't realize it was hated so much (I've never paid attention to cash games) so I'll adjust and honestly don't care that much but I think most ppl itt are comical and need to look at what is really their problem.

I didn't see it, but I've seen avatars of women that could be described in that way. They should both be either allowed or not allowed. Not one allowed but not the other.

And how about Table Ninja not working on CAP tables, hope this gets fixed before february 10th.

I still think the modifications should be done by the end of the year so grinders can adjust their games during the beginning of the year.

As a shortstacker i am dissappointed but if they announce CAP tables just like they did with Home Games you can make sure that all fish will go to CAP tables, as it is funner for them, rec players look for fun they dont want their raises or calls to be folded around, they want action and there will be much more action on CAP tables than everywhere else. So i think they will still go to those tables, and I believe it wont change much, if this is happens to be like that, they have created the best solution for us since we can remain on those tables just playing 20bb as much as we can, if this doesn't happen we can still play 40bb and crush ur games.

Well, the good players could adjust, but the problem with these examples is that it "cheapens" the game, it allows luck to play a bigger part in those games, and it lessens the ability for the best players to truly rise above the rest. It dums down the game, but most importantly, it makes it easier for people who have put very little effort into the game to compete on an even footing withe people that have devoted their lives to mastering the game. Those types of games typically are a short fad and then die out because one cannot truly master the game, or if they do, what's the point, they're hardly better than the people that started last week and read a one page sheet on how to play. It would be like forcing Tiger Woods to play Put Put golf, why would he want to, why would he have devoted so much effort into the game, the answer is he wouldn't.

You seem like a reasonable guy and you said you just started learning the game. Be glad that PokerStars made a change that should strengthen the game you just starting putting effort into, because if it is dumbed down too much, it would no longer be a skill game and would not be worth learning other than pure entertainment from time to time, it couldn't be learned at all, it would be all or nearly all luck, there would be no "adjustment" like you're suggesting even possible.

Finally, there's one last thing that makes poker even MORE susceptible to having the game watered down. I discussed that all of those examples I gave bring more luck into the game, but I was talking about highly skilled games where the element of luck is very low and the cream rises to the top quickly as they're currently structured. Poker ALREADY has a huge element of luck and it's what makes the earning potential of the game good, it is a big reason why the game has become so popular, the armchair warriors at home can compete for a bit against the best. The problem is, it already has so much luck built into the game, it can't afford more to be added, it's in a good place already, or at least was before the SS'er/online strat caught on, the game can't afford to become more watered down, we don't need to lessen the skill gap any at all and that is what the SS strategy was doing.

Pokerstars has made a great change for the longevity of the game so that we can all play it at the level we're at but can all devote much time to mastering it if we want and not "waste" our time in that endeavor because our time will be well spent and rewarded, this is what is REALLY important about this change they made. Thanks again Pokerstars!

Dr._Hyde - you seem to think 100% of players will switch to CAP and that is absurd.

You may not like 20bb poker but many people do. learn to use the filters and play the format you enjoy most. I don't really like 100bb that much, I just hide those using the filter.

This should be interesting. CAP tables not looking very popular so far but it's early. I'm sure they'll gain in popularity once the 20-50bb games are phased out.

The Plrs/Flop statistic still needs correction to bring it to FTP levels and also to stop qualifying preflop all-ins as "players to the flop" (which will unfairly dramatize CAP "plrs/flop" statistics). But other than that I think the lobby is coming together nicely.

leave the PLO tables as they are. 20bb min buyin makes for good action and fish like to buy in short

I think this change may bring me back to Stars. Also going to like the separate tab once implemented. Good job Stars

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Although I do enjoy one more than the other

I'm sure 2p2 will catch up just as soon as the public does.

This thread is about ring game changes.

I did not say in anyway anything about how many people will switch to one type of game or another. All I'm arguing is that SS'ing, or any other exploit that lessens the skill of the game and cheapens the game itself, is ultimately bad for the game in the longterm.

If I had to guess about distribution, I'd guess that of the fishy players that have been inhabiting the 20-50bb games for the past year, about 2/3 of them, or perhaps more, will eventually settle into 40bb+ games, though they may experiment a little bit at first.

I think the reason they have been playing so much 20-50bb to date is due to BR and the fact there are many more open tables at these games due to the ratholing aspect of the way it has been played.