Another oxymoron. If it's NL, then there's NO LIMIT. Saying it's NL, but with a Cap, is a sneaky way of saying there IS a limit. Extending your logic out you see that Limit poker can actually be considered NL with a CAP too. Limit just happens to have an effective Cap of 1bb on the first 2 streets (plus raises), and 2bb the last 2 streets (plus raises).

And, 20bb Cap isn't some small, barely noticable difference from NL, it completely changes the game. I mean, you can't even have a 3-bet folding range preflop (let alone 4-bet/fold range) in 20bb Cap... the only thing that's the same are the Holdem rules.

That response was meant to be implied at all moaning full stackers. Obviously, I'm not gonna quote them all (too many whiners in this thread).

Ok i've talk with someone in charge at Pokerstars, and it seems Cap will have its own Table labeled as ''Cap Table''

I think its reasonable because it is not the same as NL hold'em and it might be confusing to have it in the same Tab.

Continuing to say this doesn't make it more true. It's still UNTRUE. CAP is TOTALLY different than NLHE ... not a little, but TOTALLY. Because when you have two opponents with 100bb's in CAP, they can both only lose 20bb's ... in NLHE, they can lose 100bb's. That's a 500% difference between the games. 500% is a lot ... TOTALLY different. Sometimes stacks can get as large as 150bb's or 200bb's ... but in CAP, it's always 20bb's TOTALLY DIFFERENT Nope. Still doesn't make it true and I hope you have a plan B if they get moved out of our tab ... as they should.

He was obviously referring to No limit, and not Hold'em. So, he wasn't suggesting kicking Cap out of the 'Hold'em' tab, just out of the No Limit one, where Cap doesn't belong.

By the mere fact of the game being 'CAP', it CANNOT be a form of NL. It's an oxymoron. It either is, or it isn't. Technically everything is about effective stack size... which would mean Limit poker could be a form of NL, but the only difference is the effective stack size of 1bb the first 2 streets, and 2bb the last 2.

a couple days ago i saw a bunch of fullstackers say that 20-50bb tables should be banned and didn't see any rational explanation why...hmmm

based on your argument, 40-100bb and 100-250bb isn't really NO LIMIT, its actually more similar to CAP. You're effectively CAPPED initially with a maximum buyin of 100bbs/250bbs.

So if you're making a play on the definition of 'No Limit', then lets have Pokerstars set no maximum buyin at the tables. Let the big whales put down $50k on an NL50 table.

No, I'm not arguing that. He was referring to it being their game (i.e. full stack regulars) and that short stackers were leeching off their games.

I didn't know that fishies monies belong to full stackers only?

It's like theres no debat to be made, Cap will have is own Lobby, because it is a different game, you guys should be proud you what u rep!

Cap Lobby FTW !! yay!

I've brought up this exact same point and nobody seems interested in answering. It's only no limit when they decide it is, regardless of what twisted logic is necessary to get there.

Wow, your desperation and shame is reaching new heights.

Tell you what, I'll start calling CAP games "no limit", when you can lose everything in your stack when your opponent has you covered. I'll start calling No Limit games "CAP" when you can only lose 20 big blinds. In the meantime, I want that rathole stench outta my tab and into your own CAP tab where it belongs ... by definition.

And, seriously, come up with just ONE good argument, just one, why CAP games can't be in the CAP tab. This jealousy of our NLHE game is running REALLY deep. You just can't live without us apparently for some reason

Its pretty simple, Pokerstars will do whats best. Right now theres a transitioning period, whereby the fish who used to play on the 20-50bb tables will be seeing the new CAP tables in the same lobby, and joining these instead.

Perhaps maybe in a few weeks time from now, CAP will have it's own tab, and a popup notice will say that those games have been moved to a new tab.

If these changes are implemented, then those fish who'd rather play at the short tables will move accordingly. Time will tell if these prove to be popular or not.

Fish aren't completely stupid, they've managed to get money on the site and find a seat on the tables, so I've got hope that they'll manage to find whatever game suits them, be it 100bb NL or 20bb CAP.

I'm not sure why you're confused unless YOU'RE the one unable to read. Where do the fishy 20-50bb players go now? Hint, there is no current cap tab. That's right. They go to the NL tab to play. Where will they continue to go when the 20-55bb tables are removed? Yes, good. Right to the NL tab to search for their favorite games. So where will they immediately look if they cannot find their favorite game? Ding DIng DING. It's all about traffic and visibility. If it suddenly became NL and "Real NL" I doubt the ss'ers would have any problem.

How about 3 tabs: CAP, table stakes, and real poker.

As I've stated in a previous post, I play both short stack poker and 100bb poker. If the fish start going back to the 100bb tables, I'll be playing there more often. Simples.

EDIT: also, read my post above, I'm sitting on the fence on this one...its obvious to alot of people itt that its the full stackers who are desperate...shame on you for expecting fish to sit at deeper tables where they're more prone to make bigger errors, and line your pockets faster.

This plus a million. Can't cash out, can't deposit.

Ownage ITT

Well, gobby, get your 100bb shoes on because SPOILER ALERT: the fish will be playing 40bb to 100bb NLHE because it's the default NLHE game and also because CAP sucks ass and also because it has that scary, confusing 'CAP' label that scares fish away. Nope. 40bb is NOT deep. 40bb is SHORT. I'm not desperate in the least. I played at Full Tilt when 50bb max tables were introduced and I'm back at Stars happier than ever.

how about new site for shorties?!? lol

Jeezus, Stars could give fullstackers blowjobs instead of VPPs and they'd still complain.

The fish love to play short and build a stack, not play short for hours.

His point was that the "fish love to play short" claims around here are false, and you seem to agree.

+1 I like this a lot

I said 'deeper' not deep - 40-100bbs and 100-250bbs are deeper than 20-50bbs. Anyway, I'm not one to keep arguing for just for arguments sake, good luck to you here at Pokerstars.

+1 to CAP being in a separate tab and raising the max buy-in at Omaha and HU to 40BB. CAP will only cause confusion in the NL tab.