How would it work, exactly? Namely, when would be the $4K credited?

No.

Only factor to take in account is if you play 6max/SNG/HU or Full-Ring.

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Thanks for your answer. I think the rb% is pretty high for 6M players this year compared with other sites. It definitely can't compete with FR rb% but the potential WR is much higher for 6M for sure

My only problem with Stars is the VIP freerolls. I am at platinum star and work at a casino so I never get to play the freerolls, because I always work weekends. I wish they would let you exchange the freeroll ticket if you were unable to play, maybe give you FPPS instead of the freeroll option. Its not a huge deal, but sucks that I qualify for these things, but never get to play them.

How does the cash bonuses work?
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Because if I buy the $650 bonus at Gold level the 50k FPPs will be taken from my account, I assume (just started playing), and then I will never reach 250k because I always take the bonus at 50k, or how does it work?
Which is the optimal way to take your bonuses?

You spend FPPs on bonuses, you keep your VPPs which determine your status/progress.

OP,

Is it possible for you to post the FR version? I'm interested in 25NL FR on Stars where I'm a PlatinumStar atm. I wonder if it's a wise decision if I switch to FTP since I've just received an email from them saying that I'm eligible for 27% RB.

Thanks

So whats optimal, to use my FPP for cash bonuses at every level ($50 at silver and $285 at gold), or should I save them for the other milestones?

What if you hate tournaments, especially freerolls. I would like to know the equivalent rakeback of PS VIP only taking into account cash bonuses and milestones. It seems to me that for SilverStar you have to pay slightly over $500 in rake to accumulate the 5,000 FFp's for the $50 bonus and for GoldStar you need to pay slightly over $2,000 in rake to accumulate the 25,000 FFP's for the $285 bonus. So the effective cash rakeback is much less than your charts.

yeah I would also be very interested to see updated FR version ?

Thanks to Avicenna for a great job on a very easy-to-follow chart that should answer the questions of 95% of folks who have a question about this. I am going to lay out some additional information here, in not so nearly a nice format as Avicenna did. First off, an extremely minor correction to Avicenna's chart: the Stellar Rewards cost 19 FPP. That cost was not deducted from the SN or SNE charts.

I took a stab at including the closest approximation of the true value of the two basic freerolls available to SN+: the monthly $100K Gold+ and the quarterly $1M SN+. These are worth value, in that you can literally win something for nothing, month after month. Just because there isn't an exact entry fee didn't mean they weren't worth somehow including for a more complete picture of the benefits of achieving SN+.

I also calculated rakeback value for SNE for someone already starting the year as SNE (instead of as SN). Even if someone is only SN, this could come in handy in determining the long term value of SNE pursuit.

Finally, I added the value of the WCOOP and tournament packages if the most expensive were chosen (highest values determined by the FPP cost of tournament entry times $0.016 FPP value).

For SN add $729.30 to each rakeback value in the chart:
--add $729.60 in freeroll entry value
----quarterly $1M
------One sat ticket awarded to Golds for every 7,500 FPP in pool
------7,500 FPP is worth $120
------$120 x 4 = $480
----monthly $100K
------One sat ticket awarded to Silvers for every 1,300 FPP in pool
------1,300 FPP is worth $20.80
------$20.80 x 12 = $249.60
--subtract the value of 19 FPP which were used to purchase the Stellar Rewards ($-0.30)

For SNE (1M VPP only):
--$1,000 in Stellar Rewards at a cost of 19 FPP
--$29,800 in VPP Milestone Cash Credits at a cost of 400,000 FPP
--$73,599.70 in value of the remaining FPPs
--$729.60 in freeroll entry value (see SN above)
--$5,200 in WCOOP Main Event entry value
--$14,080 in PCA Package value (880,000 FPP value in the VIP Store)
--$17,600 in Monte Carlo Package value (1,100,000 FPP value in the VIP Store)

SNE 1M Bottom Line:
Bonus Earned: $142,009.30 in cash and prize package value
Rake Paid*: $181,818.18
Rakeback: 78.1%

So if you make SNE this year, you can have 78.1% rakeback in 2011.

When I made this post, I did not know about the milestone bonuses for SilverStar and Goldstar. I just cashed my first $10 750VPP bonus. These milestone bonuses obviously increase the rakeback to the chart. Please disregard earlier post.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...-chart-683086/

A while ago I think there was also FR table but can't find it now :/ anyone have something like this for FR?

thanks in advance

I don't understand how can be that is you are Platinum Star you have about 25% rakeback???
example:
player play 100 sng's $5.5 that is $50 rake and if he is Platinum star he get 275vpp and 687,5fpp, so you can change 50 000 fpp if you are Platinum for $650 so its vaule 1000 fpp=13$, so 687,5fpp=$8,9 , for $50 rake you get back $8,9 lol that is less than 10% and not 25%, if calculate VIP Stellar Rewards still is less than 15%, can you someboday explain this???

$8.90 is 17.8% of $50

I've just read through this whole post and I still don't have a great understanding of the lower VIP levels.

For example, I am Silverstar on stars. Does mean that I will get the rakeback listed without doing anything? Or will I need to purchase the cash bonuses when I hit the required FPP's? I play on stars but went to full tilt for rakeback. However, I only went to fulltilt because the programme sounded better being 27% rakeback!

Thanks

First, there is no point in playing on stars unless you consistently earn platinum. If you don't consistently earn platinum, then stay on full tilt where the rakeback is better. If you do consistently earn platinum, you will be on pace to earn supernova, which is even better than platinum.

However, if you decline my advice and want to be a silverstar, then the answer is yes, you must purchase the bonuses. However, this is kinda misleading, as the bonuses are called stellar rewards and only cost 1 FPP each. The main bonus is the $4,000 bonus you can cash in when you get 250,000 FPP. Of course it will be a long time before you earn 250K fpp at silverstar level, so they have lower amount bonuses you can buy as well. Although I would highly recommend you just play the FPP satellites and then unregister when you win and those are as good as cash and you dont have to wait around to get enough fpps to buy a bonus. However your mileage will vary, and if you arent as good at the tourneys as the other players, youre going to get less $ for your FPP obviously (inverse is also true if youre better than average).

I think I will probably play on FullTilt for the odd session, until I can put in some serious volume in 6 weeks or so. Thanks for your help!

BUMP!

I'm also trying to make a decision on switching to PS. I'm currently in my 11th month of Iron Man. My total rakeback at FTP including my Iron Man bonuses during the year comes to around 35% which is better than Platinum Star until I make Supernova. The problem is if I move over now I wouldn't make SN by the end of the year. Is it safe to say I should wait until January 2011 to start playing on PS? Anyone else making this move?

Based on your chart and my current Iron Man levels on FTP I will still make better RB on FTP even if I make the starting Supernova level. If you are semi deep into Iron Man then you have to make greater than 200,000 VPP per year to make it worth your while and even then it's barely worth it. Did anyone come up with a different conclusion?

I don't know the math about any of this, but are you including the deductions in RB from FTP? Any bonus, deposit/cashout, FTP point usage and tournament overlay is removed from MGR.

I'm curious as to how these deductions effects the value between FTP and PS in terms of what a player gets back.

why don't you net guys play the best, funnest games on both sites instead of making it some miserable job... think you will be +ev in life

I believe pokestars rakeback system adds up to more long term, full-tilt seems to take a lot away from rakeback and you end up getting less than what you thought.

poker is fun for everyone