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01-14-2010 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
stars' charts here are no more confusing than iron man was exactly what my comment meant
Fair enough, I disagree but it is probably because I'm used to it, and the top level of ironman is so easy to hit that I've never had to think about any of the lower levels.
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Originally Posted by ubeticall
Isn't there a mid-year iron man bonus aswell?
He counted 1200 for the "end of the year bonus" they actually give you 600 for mid month and 600 for end of year so he must have combined them. Yes, you get 2 bonuses
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01-15-2010 , 01:13 AM
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Originally Posted by MyTurn2Raise
stars' charts here are no more confusing than iron man was exactly what my comment meant
ironman represents less than 10% of ftp's reward scheme whereas stars vpp/fpp system represents nearly all theirs
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01-15-2010 , 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by terp
ironman represents less than 10% of ftp's reward scheme whereas stars vpp/fpp system represents nearly all theirs
ftp rewards less than 10% of its players whereas stars rewards every single one.
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01-15-2010 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jmillerdls
ftp rewards less than 10% of its players whereas stars rewards every single one.

wrong
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01-15-2010 , 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by wildb
Tinkerman:

I agree with you, to some extent. Full Tilt Rakeback % drops as you do more volume. So getting just what is needed would improve your %. Let's hope that Full Tilt does something to improve the top end this year, we wil see.
My guess is if my game type where on Poker Stars, with my volume I would be better off on that site. Or maybe as you suggest it is not either or.

Below are my projected numbers @ Full Tilt for 2010. I hope it may help with the comparisions.

$40K Rake (Super Turbo SNG's 20K games $28 plus $2 rake)
$10,800 Rakeback
$1,200 Ironman year end bonus
$700 Ironman Medals (400 medal/Month * 20 cents * .73 (rackback hit))
$715 FTP (280K FTP * 3.5/1000 * .73 (rackback hit))

Bottom Line Numbers:
33.53% Rakeback
6.67% Rake
4.43% Effective Rake
I think you take a rakeback hit on the bonus as well. Also I think that FTPs are worth $5/1,000. Finlly, you should also include the 100 medals per month for not doing the iron man freeroll
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01-15-2010 , 07:50 AM
Question :

In OP first chart he said silverstars brings 21,5$ bonus ,ok at 750 vpp i get 10$ from the stellar rewards, but the rest of 11,5$ where i get it from ????
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01-15-2010 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by stellar
Question :

In OP first chart he said silverstars brings 21,5$ bonus ,ok at 750 vpp i get 10$ from the stellar rewards, but the rest of 11,5$ where i get it from ????
750 fpps = $11.5 approximately.
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01-15-2010 , 09:39 AM
^^

how exactly is that determined? that is, how do you know what each FPP is worth? is there a set value for a FPP or not?


Thanks
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01-15-2010 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Longy
750 fpps = $11.5 approximately.
where do i change it ? ???
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01-15-2010 , 11:43 AM
No there is no set value for FPPs, it's different for each item in the Store. Often, a rate of $0.016 per FPP is used to calculate the monetary value of 1 FPP. This derives from the $4000 bonus which costs 250,000 FPP ($4000 / 250,000 = $0.016), but is only available to players having achieved Supernova Status.

So calculations using the $0.016 per FPP rate are only applicable if you intend to become Supernova in 2011 AND would like to convert all your FPP to cash (instead of tourney tickets etc.) AND save all your FPP to buy the $4000 bonus!
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01-19-2010 , 05:08 PM
i did this too a few days ago.
ixiterra is closest imo.

im very confident that my numbers are accurate for everyone that makes at least platinum every month.

it would take too much time to calculate rb for some special types that make sn halfway through the year and make platinum the months before but one could get an estimate with my tables.

this is the first one assuming that you start the year as a supernova elite.



next one if you start out as a regular supernova. note that ive edited the formulas to give 5fpp/vpp once you reach 1m vpp. so it is accurate even for those that start as a supernova but end the year on say 1.5m vpp.



the last one is for players that make platinum each month and end the year on exactly 100k vpp to become sn and grab the milestone bonus. i didnt bother have change to sn midyear in it.



i dont take reload bonusses and freerolls into account.
the milestone collumn starts with 2k since 1k worth of stellar rewards is included there.

fpps are valued at 1.6cent. i guess concierge pays a tiny bit more but i never bothered. 4k bonus for 250k fpp is the way to go imo.
if you cant make sn and therefore cant buy the 4k bonus i recommend tourney tickets since they are pretty close to 1.6cent/fpp most of the time. sunday500 ticket is even a tiny bit above that imo.

dont buy other stuff ever. its not worth your fpps.

for sne i took the ept monte carlo and pca packages since they have the biggest value. dont forget that some of it goes towards hotel cost though. if you suck at high stakes live tourneys you might rather take wsop package and 10k cash. it depends on your roi in these tourneys too ofc.


conclusion: 27% at ftp is a sure thing but once you reach sn at the end of the year you make more on stars.
i havent done any calculations for low stakes/ low volume players but wouldnt be suprised if it comes close to ftp anyways because of stellar rewards.
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01-19-2010 , 06:47 PM
This is exactly what I have calculated.

fpppro.com lists the maximum in tourney packages as $35,600 compared to your $35,000 tough.
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01-23-2010 , 06:18 PM
bump
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01-23-2010 , 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by jmillerdls
ftp rewards less than 10% of its players whereas stars rewards every single one.
1) this isn't analogous
2) this isn't accurate
3) OP's discussion is regarding full rewards at stars, presumably so he can compare it to other sites. approximating the worth of ironman is useful toward determining the full reward value of ftp for comparison
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01-23-2010 , 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by terp
1) this isn't analogous
2) this isn't accurate
3) OP's discussion is regarding full rewards at stars, presumably so he can compare it to other sites. approximating the worth of ironman is useful toward determining the full reward value of ftp for comparison
You are right...it is probably less than 10%.
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01-23-2010 , 10:04 PM
the percentage is irrelevant to this discussion

the average ftp rakeback/reward is just a random statistic. in practice, you either get 27% or 0%. if you have 0, it's a non-decision. if you have 27%+ironman+pts, refer to OP's chart and evaluate...
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02-01-2010 , 11:37 PM
Supernova does not equal $5800, it equals $6600 with stellar rewards
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02-05-2010 , 03:44 PM
very awesome post.

nh sir.
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02-05-2010 , 06:31 PM
El Bumpo!

Thanks OP for the chart.

Overall this is so confusing because everyone plays different volumes at different stakes that nobody can really tell you how much RB equivalent you get at Stars.

In addition, your mileage may vary depending on how you value bonus items such as tournament tickets, hats, shirts, etc. Finally, Stars had a sale in January, and will hopefully have more, that allowed purchasing cash boni on the cheap ($50 for 3000 points rather than the usual 5000 points). I'm a micro stakes player with a micro amount of time, and I still can get to 3,000 every 2 months.
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02-05-2010 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by terp
1) this isn't analogous
2) this isn't accurate
3) OP's discussion is regarding full rewards at stars, presumably so he can compare it to other sites. approximating the worth of ironman is useful toward determining the full reward value of ftp for comparison
Meh, I'm not at the top months of Ironman yet, but assuming you use your ironman medals on the $600 bonus, and sell your FTP points on the market place, I'd be shocked if the actual rakeback # is higher than 33%
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02-06-2010 , 03:12 AM
Does the estimated RB% change by the stake you play?
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02-06-2010 , 03:24 AM
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Originally Posted by atmstuck
Does the estimated RB% change by the stake you play?
[x] games are still profitable!
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02-06-2010 , 09:13 AM
im not into stars at all but...am i right when i say that the bonus you get...you have to actually play for it again at stars ?

like in:
first you have to play to get the bonus...and then you have to play to actually release the bonus?

as where at ftp you play to get rb and then you actually get it right away ?

ty
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02-06-2010 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by neverbeclever
im not into stars at all but...am i right when i say that the bonus you get...you have to actually play for it again at stars ?

like in:
first you have to play to get the bonus...and then you have to play to actually release the bonus?

as where at ftp you play to get rb and then you actually get it right away ?

ty
Milestones and Stellar are instant bonus.

Regular bonus bought at Store you have to clear them (they dont take much time for a regular player and for someone intending to stay some time around, it doesnt make much difference imo... anyway if they were instant would be better of course).

If you get SN you may "concierge" some things and that is +/- instant too.
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02-06-2010 , 11:13 AM
I wish pokerstars let certain volume players go in debt with the $4k (250k fpp) bonus. for instance, lets say you have 0 fpps and want to buy a $4k bonus. rather than waiting till you accumulate 250k fpp's, they just let you purchase the $4k, bonus right then and have it reflect a FPP balance of -250k. I think volume players (guys that have been supernova+ for the past 3 or 4 years) would basically always pay (play) it off.
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