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01-12-2010 , 10:50 AM
I cannot see anywhere rakeback equivalent of the new VIP scheme, so I did the chart for the community.
It easy since 5.5 VPPs are given for each dollar raked, that FPPs are accrued at known rate (depending on VIP level), and that bonuses can be purchased for FPPs.
How many hands you will need to hit a particular VIP level is a different question. Refer to this thread: 2010 PokerStars VPP/hand/game/limit . In short, it depends on the game you play, limit, and how loose the tables are.

Notes
Bonus earned assumes that the highest possible bonus is bought (i.e. $4k for 250k FPPs at Supernova, $650 for 50k FPPs at Gold, etc..)
Silver to Platinium take into account the Stellar Rewards.
SuperNova and Elite take into account the milestones (bought for 50k FPPs).
The supernova numbers assume that you are already SN at the beginning of the year. That is, you are already receiving 3.5 FPPs per 1 VPP.
Other SN benefits (packages, freerolls, etc) are not taken into account.



Let me know if you think I have made any mistakes.

Last edited by Cry Me A River; 06-18-2010 at 05:12 PM. Reason: Replaced chart with corrected/updated version
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01-12-2010 , 11:40 AM
as a low volume player, this is why I play on FTP with rake back, starts vip really does suck imo!
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01-12-2010 , 11:41 AM
also this is why stars is full of multi table short stack nits!
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01-12-2010 , 12:09 PM
Thanks man this really helps me alot. I play on both sites (enjoy both), but I feel like fulltilt is a better choice since I get rakeback and plus with midyear bonus, ftps and iron medals I think I get a better deal, since theres no way I can pull off supernova with school and work. Plus im on my 19th month in iron man
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01-12-2010 , 12:12 PM
Where does the $79,400 # come from? Isn't SNE worth more than $100k?
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01-12-2010 , 12:16 PM
Did you include the tournament packages in your SNE numbers?
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01-12-2010 , 12:21 PM
with the packages the real rakeback must be around 71% for 3 million of fpps
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01-12-2010 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by boc4life
Where does the $79,400 # come from? Isn't SNE worth more than $100k?
Yes, with the tournament packages AND even more so when you start the next year as SNE giving you 5x instead of 3.5x. I don't have my spreadsheet to hand but I believe it's another $20K on top.
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01-12-2010 , 12:26 PM
Tournament packages are not included; only milestones, bonuses and stellar rewards.
There is a small drop in RB at the 1,000,000 VPPs mark for SNE, because there is no milestones.
Obviously the following more than make it up:
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As a Supernova Elite you will automatically be given free entry to the WCOOP main event. You may also choose one of the following two options:

Option A: Any two packages from PokerStars Caribbean Adventure, WSOP* Main Event, EPT Monte Carlo, APPT Sydney.

Option B: Any one of the above packages plus $10,000.
I guess that I should add ~ $28k for SNE (how much is this combo worth do you know?)
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01-12-2010 , 12:30 PM
Definitely Monte Carlo because it's worth the most, then probably WSOP + travel/expenses + $5200 WCOOP ME.

I could be wrong selecting WSOP though, do they give 100K VPPs like in 2009 if you definitely play via Stars?
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01-12-2010 , 12:34 PM
i think pca and monte carlo are the best chioices


great chart op, thx
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01-12-2010 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by MicrostakeDegen
as a low volume player, this is why I play on FTP with rake back, starts vip really does suck imo!
FT deducts bonuses and transaction fees from the RB. It's lower than the 27% you expect.
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01-12-2010 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MicrostakeDegen
as a low volume player, this is why I play on FTP with rake back, starts vip really does suck imo!
I agree for low stakes play FT seems more appealing. I play at both sites and there are times where it is more advantageous to play at pokerstars

ie - $15+1 SNG compared to FT's comparable $10+1 and $20+2

just comparing PS price against FT's price-rakeback PS is a better deal in the above example( also if it generally acknowledged that a PS point is worth 1.6 cents while a FT point is worth 0.33 cents so 5 FPP > 7 FTP). I have not done any calculations on cash but people say PS's rake is generally less at the lower stakes thus you would probably need to compare net rakeback to make a fair comparison.
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01-12-2010 , 12:47 PM
Hi Avicenna,

I've never played on FTP or know what their rakeback is all about with the Ironman but wondered if you could do the same, or is it quite straight forward?

Thanks.
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01-12-2010 , 12:49 PM
thanks op!
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01-12-2010 , 12:52 PM
How can a low sne get lower rakeback than a high sn?
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01-12-2010 , 01:03 PM
It appears that you are not multiplying the SNE VPPs by 5.

Nice chart, though.
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01-12-2010 , 01:05 PM
He is multiplying it by 5 after 1,000,000 VPPs.
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01-12-2010 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Likey
Hi Avicenna,
I've never played on FTP or know what their rakeback is all about with the Ironman but wondered if you could do the same, or is it quite straight forward?
Thanks.
Businesses in the Affiliate/Rakeback subforum can give you 27% rakeback on your play.
The catch is that anything you buy with your FTPoints is going to be deduced from your Monthly Gross Rake (MGR) and therefore reduce your effective rake. The same applies to the deposit bonus.
The IronMan is going to affect the MGR as well, so my guess is that you cannot really earn more than 27% flat.
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01-12-2010 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Ricks
It appears that you are not multiplying the SNE VPPs by 5.
Nice chart, though.
I am assuming that you gathered the first 1,000,000 VPPs under the SN regime, before hitting SNE.
If you are already SNE at the start of the year, then yes, it is a bit different. You would have accrued more FPPs obv.
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01-12-2010 , 01:08 PM
Thanks for the explanation, Stars definitely have the best VIP/rakeback deal around if you're a sick grinder.

I was working on a spreadsheet last week but never got to finish it, yours is definitely presented better than mine and I didn't have a rakeback %. Nice work.
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01-12-2010 , 01:11 PM
Nice charts, but I think you made a mistake with the calculations.

For the first chart it looks like you are using the 5.5 vpp/ $1 raked. In the 2nd chart it looks like you are using 6 vpp / $1 raked.

edit: I'm referring to the "rake required" column, nothing else.
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01-12-2010 , 01:13 PM
wtf? supernova 500-1000 k has a bigger rakeback than Sne?
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01-12-2010 , 01:36 PM
Thanks for taking such a strong interest in the PokerStars VIP club and its benefits.

At first glance I did notice a few errors in your charts. For example, tournaments should be listed with 6max and heads up games, not with full ring, as tournaments also have a 5.5x VPP earning multiplier. I also noticed that you are not including stellar rewards value for Supernova+ levels. This would add an extra $1000 value for every player who reaches 100,000 VPPs or higher. As many others have mentioned, Supernova Elite VIPs do receive very significant additional value upon reaching 1,000,000 VPPs.

Most VIP club members do receive more value that what you have listed here. Only a small percentage of FPPs are spent on Bonuses. SilverStar and GoldStar members in particular can (and often do) receive more value from their FPPs by spending them on tournament tickets, gift cards, and several other items with higher $/FPP value.

In addition, you have not included any value for the weekly, monthly, or quarterly VIP freerolls. These tournaments add a lot of value at every level of the VIP club. VIP members will earn over $6.5 million from VIP freerolls this year.

In the past PokerStars has also offered multiple reload bonuses each year. Players who took full advantage of all reload bonuses last year earned an extra $670 in value. There has already been one reload bonus worth up to $150 this year. Participation in PokerStars reload bonuses does not in any way deduct from what players can receive through our VIP Club. This is in fact true of all PokerStars promotions, earning rewards in one way never reduces the value of other rewards earned.

Again, thanks for taking the time to put this together in an effort to help inform your fellow players. If you have any questions about how to calculate value, please don't hesitate to ask.

Last edited by PokerStars Steve; 01-12-2010 at 01:51 PM. Reason: Added SNE reference
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01-12-2010 , 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by NuklearWinter
Nice charts, but I think you made a mistake with the calculations.

For the first chart it looks like you are using the 5.5 vpp/ $1 raked. In the 2nd chart it looks like you are using 6 vpp / $1 raked.

edit: I'm referring to the "rake required" column, nothing else.
My bad as the above poster pointed out Tournaments are incorrectly listed with Full ring games. This what the mistake I was trying to point out.
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