Hi, tx to the newest update I wanna aim for SNE next year

One thing I didn't get completely:

Once u reach 1M vpp's, u don't get a milestone, but a tournament package including

-EPT MC
-PCA
-WCOOP ME

and that's worth 35K.

Now me being a cash game player exclusively, this is all nice, but has little value for me.
So can u sell those packages and if so, does this go easily, or is it a hassle?

Tx a lot guys!!

you can get 10k cash instead one of the two packages. the other is unsellable iirc.

I guess you can unregister of the WCOOP ME and get T$ which you can sell for real money.

Guess you can have a good few days in vegas at next wsop with the second package.

I plan on playing 900,000 hands next year.

I play 6max NLHE and play mixed stakes 100nl->400nl. I average about 0.51VVPs/hand.

I currently play on Full Tilt and am in my 6th consecutive month of ironman. I also achieved platinum on stars this month.

Going into the new yaer, if I play on playing 900,000 hands, would it be safe to assume I would make more under stars reward system than full tilt? Assuming I would be achieving 450k VPPs, starting as platinum.

You would make a lot more on stars

Your best hourly in terms of rewards would be to play 25 days on FTP at 250 points a day (just enough to qualify for IM)
At your stakes that would take about 20 mins a day.

Then play the rest of the day at PS.

It's not really worth it to bother with things like this, but if you were gonna do it I think silver iron man is the way to do it

I think you need to sit down and do the math rather than guess.

Playing the min to get IM every month will get you a a far better rakeback % than anything you will get at stars.

By only doing silver you are missing out on the extra medals and the extra mid year bonuses.

Silver has a higher rakeback % than Iron but............Iron has a higher % than Stars over more hands.

Why would you turn down 60% rakeback over X hands to play at 45% rakeback over the same X hands.

The FTP program rewards a smaller rakeback % the more you play.

You should basically play it untill you can make more at Stars.

As I said, playing enough for IM every month is roughly the best way especially after you are in the program a while.

I have 30 months in and it's a no brainer. I play enough at FTP to get IM and then the rest of my play is at Stars.

medals and bonuses have to be cleared within a specific timeframe, which could not be achieved on 250 pts/day. Also, if you are operating under any daily time constraints, remember that the effects of falling short of a PS milestone are devastating to your bottomline. It's almost certainly: not playing at FTP> silver IM> higher volume/Iron

The reason I said that is to me it seems like the difference in rb would never be worth the time it would take to start sessions on each site and having to keep a br on each site.

If you do want to do the math however, make sure you are calculating the marginal rb percentage, not the overall. For example if stars gives 45% rb, silver is 80% and iron is 60%, that does not necessarily mean you should get iron then switch to stars. That means from points 0-50 you are getting 80% on FT, and points 50-250 you are getting slightly under 60%. Also if you get 45% on stars, most likely the last points on stars would be above 45%.

I'd be interested to see the math but it doesn't seem worth it for me to do it because it would be very dependent on reaching milestones on stars and the exact number of VPPs. Also as I stated earlier I think that having to start two sessions will end up costing you more money (by costing you time playing) than the extra rb would be

Thats just not true for the vast majority of people who can play at both sites.

You are setting up a senario where you just miss out on a milestone bonus.

(The vast majority of players never even get to SN let alone multiple milestones.)

It would be ******ed for anyone to play just enough to come up short on any kind of promo.

As per the chart in this thread the milestones are only worth an few extra % points per level.

The guy in this thread thought he would hit 450K points.

If he is never going to hit 500K then play for 400K+ at PS and get IM every month.

As an example at FR NLHE it takes roughly $450 of monthly rake to play 25 days at 250 points a day

You get 27% back $121.50
You get $100 a month for IM bonus (2 x $600 over 12 months, no RB hit)
You get monthly medals (worth ~ $30 month 1, worth ~ $146 month 37)
FTP points (play during the numerous happy hours and get 2x, worth around $35 after RB hit, depends how you spend them)
$25 per month for misc promo like take 2 or extra bonuses
(I wont count the Free sub to cardrunners anyone can get for earning 5500 points a month at FTP)

As you can see on $450 of rake you are getting back between 69% (month 1) and 95% (month 37)

Sorry if I used math and facts.

I should also add there are times where its worth playing extra at FTP.

The recent Rush poker promo where you needed 1000/day for 7 days to earn $250 ($182 after Rb hit)

It took about $475 of rake to complete the promo.

You got back
$135 rb
$182.5 promo
~$40 FTP points
~ $5 35 bonus medals

76% rb

Isn't it $650? 250/10*25?

Few people are still getting this most are at about 21% equivalent

The cost of time is already too big to justify playing on two sites (obviously thats subjective). But playing only during happy hour seems to cost even more time.

Didn't know you could get that lol


I think your math is incorrect. In any event regardless of the percentage isn't the amount played on FTP going to be small enough that the difference amounts to only a couple hundred dollars a year? It really doesn't seem worth it to me as there's going to be 15 minutes or so a day where you are at your computer ready to play, but playing under the normal hands per hour

wat

$625 lol.

You have failed so hard on many levels.........

The $450 amount is the amount paid calculated by the new contributed method not the old MGR calculation

So......... you get 27% of that figure. for most FR players that is equivalent of around 20% of the old MGR which FT doesnt use any more to calculate RB.

The math is correct.

The difference is pretty significant $/hour expecially if you play at lower levels. (which most people do)
I showed you the rackback% yet you are ignoring them.

NH sir.


The happy hours run around the clock.
Your claim the happy hour costs you is kind of silly as you would plan to play.

Your claim that "You would make a lot more on stars" has been proven totally false.

Next time come with facts/numbers rather than pulling something out of your rear end.

As for starting games.............. errr......... Rush poker.........

It takes less than 30 seconds to start and even less to finish a session.

Ok so that is really player dependent. What is the rb equivalent on stars then if you are assuming that a player is paying 70% of the rake he is getting credit for? If you are SNE it would be close to 100% and I think the marginal rb for your last VPPs (the ones that you wouldn't earn if you played on FT also) would be over 100%. I think you are calculating rake paid in different ways for each site.

In any event I'm not trying to argue with you and I don't know why you are telling me I've failed in how I calculated rake paid when it absolutely has to average that across the player pool (although I agree with you most of us are not contributing that much). If you are playing rush I suppose it could be worth it to get the extra rb... although it might also be worth it to sacrifce the rb and play only on fulltilt

Anyone have a link to this Google docs spreadsheet?

Actually we both agree that that claim is completely true. He was asking"I am going to earn 500k VPPS, should I play on stars or full tilt?" which I took to imply exlusively on stars or full tilt. We both agree that the rakeback is higher on stars if you are going to pick only one site

We also both agree that getting just enough for ironman is going to be more rb than playing on stars. We merely are disagreeing on the actual % and whether or not it's worth it to play on ft then switch (which is completely dependent on the person and how much he thinks the time etc. is worth it)

LOLZ

You have spent the last several posts arguing with everything I have said.

Now you are backpeddling like a crazy man.

I produced numbers. Feel free to do the same rather than guess.

There is a difference between argue and debate. I don't know why you went under the assumption that a hypothetical person would pay 70% rake, and in any event if they did that on FT they would do that on stars too. Merry Christmas

Has anything changed since Full Tilt implemented the new blackcard tiered system?

Would I still be better off playing on pokerstars?

I just earned the silver star. How do I earn my $28 bonus?

LOL.You already have.

PS VIP system is very good for high volume player but if you are a casual Player forget about their crappy reward system for rakeback

Better try smaller network they got better rakeback and more fish

RoFL explain him how he got 28$ more into his account!
this way you will truly answer his question.

could someone plz explain the $136 bonus shown in OP's table for clearing 3000vpps and achieving goldstar?

just dont get it!

sorry and thanks!

Its the equivalent in money for the FPP you have.

First you should buy in the VIP Store all Stella Rewards you have cleared. Since you made 3.000 VPP that should be 4 each worth 10$.

After that you can spend the additional FPPs. The exact value of the FPPs depends on the item / Bonus you choose to take.

I think OP calculated with the biggest bonus you can get in this VIP level so for Gold Star this would be 300$ for 25.000 FPP. So 136$ is kind of a "virtual value" since you only get to realize it when waiting till you have 25.000 FPP. You still can buy a lower Bonus (slightly less value) or tournament tickets or other items like books, clothing, etc. for the FPPs you have.