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01-05-2012 , 08:15 AM
PS announced that they will ad a fast moving poker-game (somehow like the former rush-poker at FT, afaik).
i think we should put all relevant information about it ITT,
and maybe even make suggestions about how BLITZ could get even more popular than rush.
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01-05-2012 , 08:33 AM
Excellent idea - best we get a thread started now before they've even announced a date for this, so there's plenty of time for pointless speculation and suggestions of how to improve something we haven't even seen yet.

Timing is excellent too in that all the regs are super-happy with Stars and will be in the mood for a very productive discussion seeing as they're all planning to put in huge volume this year with all the positive VIP program changes.
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01-05-2012 , 08:37 AM
so many sarcastic people lateely
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01-05-2012 , 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Dave73
Excellent idea - best we get a thread started now before they've even announced a date for this, so there's plenty of time for pointless speculation and suggestions of how to improve something we haven't even seen yet.
that was my main intention.

i think we should suggest fullring PLO BLITZ (and NLHE ofc) to take care of all the low-skill nits
that have to make supernova(/-elite) to make profit.
those people dont deserve to get rakeback like with dealt-method,
but i agree to 100% that stars has to help them somehow, because they spend so much time to get SN/SNE in 2011 and now they suddenly get raped. starts shouldve announced changes 1 year in advance imo.

i would although love to see STUD-BLITZ (and STUD8 and RAZZ) with a better (higher) ante-structure.
it would be much more fun to play STUD-variants like that.

Last edited by HU4holes; 01-05-2012 at 08:59 AM.
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01-05-2012 , 08:57 AM
I'm not sure how I feel about this, is it really that different from 24 tabling with regards to volume? Any rush players from old ft days have some numbers h/hour?
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01-05-2012 , 09:13 AM
gold rush (just a track from snoop dog):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mt_wBHV-di4

obv im expecting good times with BLITZ.
and i mean good times for everyone who plays PLO/NLHE/LHE.
first of all for the tight-aggressive mass-tablers (few are real nits, im sry for generalization earlier),
and of course for all the action-players that have more deposits than pay-outs.

btw, stars is lot bigger than FT was.
we might even get higher stakes than 2/4 after a few month of expertise.
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01-05-2012 , 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by LolDonkamentz
I'm not sure how I feel about this, is it really that different from 24 tabling with regards to volume? Any rush players from old ft days have some numbers h/hour?
1200 hands per hour playing 4 rush tables at FTP.

EDIT: Forgot to say I tried it in full ring tables but I don'tknow if there is a big difference between six max and full ring hands / hour.

Last edited by hypergeometry; 01-05-2012 at 09:34 AM.
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01-05-2012 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by hypergeometry
1200 hands per hour playing 4 rush tables at FTP.

i go out on a limb and say its a lot better to handle (i just 2-4 table at 6-max 8-game),
prolly gonna attract lots of hyper-SnG action-junks and all fish in general (makes up for less rakeback)
and it doesnt have to be capped to 4 seats per stake+game.

Last edited by HU4holes; 01-05-2012 at 09:26 AM.
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01-05-2012 , 10:20 AM
Not sure I'm going to try it, bit worried its going to split the payer pool attracting the fish from the standard games which would be a reason to jump over.
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01-05-2012 , 10:56 AM
Don't have my numbers handy but from memory you couldn't get the equivlent to 24 tables from Rush.

But, and this is an important but, if you are curently 4-12 tabling you will still be able to 4 table Blitz (if it's like Rush) and came out with a massive increase in tables per hour.

So for those already maxing out their tables probably not a big possibility to up your volume but if you are doing less it can make a huge difference.

I think this is the one major reason why Stars HAD to switch to WC. (Not being fair or whatever they say). To avoid even nittier play. This was somewhat of a problem at FullTilt and with the much higher rakeback % for the top volume players at Stars the risk of Blitz becoming a folding match is/was huge.
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01-05-2012 , 11:24 AM
wouldnt it be practicable to mix BLITZ-tables with normal tables to exceed the volume that you can get with 24-tabling normal tables ? (im not familiar with mass-tabling at all)
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01-05-2012 , 11:44 AM
I'm a Rush fan-boy. Playing 4-tables of FR 1200 hands per hour was fairly easily achievable, but you could add 100 or 200 onto that if you tried hard. I dare say other people were touching 1500. Table Ninja helped.

What is weird is that I'm terrible at multi-tabling normally, but with Rush - because you could never be playing more than 4 hands simultaneously - I always felt comfortable.

FTP limited the number of tables you could play to 4*, and I think that worked really well. The whole point of Rush was that it was quick, and that last thing you wanted was people time-banking regularly in the middle of hands, or it taking ages to fold round to you on the button to allow you to raise your 72o.

* I think this 4-table restriction was per limit, so you could add in extra table if you mixed stakes or 6-max/fr but I'm not certain now.
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01-05-2012 , 12:18 PM
Great thing about rush was that you could alter your speed. If you had a tough spot on one table, you could also play slower on the other 3(meaning not using quick fold for example). When you play 24 tables you don't have this luxury. Rush is more flexible, more easy to start a session, more fun too imo.
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01-05-2012 , 12:29 PM
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. . .
* I think this 4-table restriction was per limit, so you could add in extra table if you mixed stakes or 6-max/fr but I'm not certain now.
Yes, you could do 4 FR and 4 six max with a minimum average of 2000 hands / hour easily but it was really hard to do more than 4 for me so I stopped trying. I think there were no limitation. You could be playing there nl10 4 tables nl25 4 tables nl50 4 tables and so on . . . that would be even more than 24 tabling of PS.
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01-05-2012 , 12:36 PM
Can't wait for BLITZ... my only concern is, how long until HEM and PT3 develop a HUD working on BLITZ tables?? Besides, HEM will probably do it for HM2 only as HM1 is not being further developed anymore...
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01-05-2012 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Alcorel
Can't wait for BLITZ... my only concern is, how long until HEM and PT3 develop a HUD working on BLITZ tables.
I hope they take their time. The absence of HUDs initially on the Rush tables let you get away with really exploitable play.

Edit: Actually the nature of a Rush table means that you could limit the use of HUDs. If the hand-histories were only saved for the amout of a hand that you actually saw (ie before you quick-folded) then you'd be able to see all of your pots, but wouldn't be able to get data on other people very quickly. Screen scraping techniques wouldn't win here. I know, bot-detection and all that, but its a thought.

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01-05-2012 , 12:54 PM
Marc Karam was 16 tabling rush. Crazy mofo..
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01-05-2012 , 12:57 PM
I bet PokerStars will dissapoint us with Blitz.
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01-05-2012 , 01:12 PM
What's with the girl vomiting dust?
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01-05-2012 , 01:38 PM
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What's with the girl vomiting dust?
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/1890...itslovers.html
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01-05-2012 , 02:33 PM
lol. I thought she was coughing off a bong, but this is much better.
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01-05-2012 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LolDonkamentz
I'm not sure how I feel about this, is it really that different from 24 tabling with regards to volume? Any rush players from old ft days have some numbers h/hour?
I could 4 table Rush and get in as many hands per hour as I could 20 tabling on stars. You can also have all 4 tables up so you can concentrate a lot better with the hands you are in.
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01-05-2012 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Peoplez
Great thing about rush was that you could alter your speed. If you had a tough spot on one table, you could also play slower on the other 3(meaning not using quick fold for example). When you play 24 tables you don't have this luxury. Rush is more flexible, more easy to start a session, more fun too imo.
If I came up to a huge hand for say 250BB+ I would just click sitout on the other 3 tables allowing me to concentrate. Makes so much sense when you know that as soon as you hit the "Play now" button your back in the game on all four tables instantly.

As I moved up the limits and the player pool was smaller you never got as many hands in because you were forever waiting for players to join your table.

I used to love the rush tournaments they did. Whether "Blitz" is for ring games only I dont know but would love to see it for tournaments also and for MTT SNGs.
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01-05-2012 , 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by GeleHaas
I bet PokerStars will dissapoint us with Blitz.
I'm guessing the reason it is taking so long is because they want to get it so right.
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01-05-2012 , 03:46 PM
The last thing I heard was they were hoping to have a beta out by the end of the month so I guess you won't have to wait too much longer.
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