In general YES. The TAGs lose a decent amount but the LAGs gain less and its Stars that pocket the difference. The why the arguement is raging.

Unless of course you are a winning high volume LAG then you probably do very well out of this. But how many of them do we all know? Prob count them on one hand at each individual limit.

Besides Dealt > WC, what else will be changed ?

Steve - have you ever thought that if you had given everyone some time (more than three days) to assess this and receive feedback in a orderly manner you might have been able to make some adjustments that a lot of your player pool were more comfortable with? That is instead of ramming it down everyone's throat on the 28th December, making a change a day later and then walking off into the sunset whilst some of your pros bang on about a new advert on Twitter?

Your company's handling of the whole situation has been absolutely terrible.

Stars will earn bull Sh*T if people go 2 another sites and traffic fall dramatically. Why not to do it?

what a joke jokerstars...

This is amazing please change that or I hope everyone RIOTS as much as possible on January 1st

It's my understanding that rake caps are now going to be left as they are today.

The main sticking issue was the extra money being lost @ 5-handed, which has now been corrected, so i'd say overall the new proposals are better than before.

Or am i missing something?

This

Exactly my thoughts.
And the lower rake for 2-3 players was encouraging table starters. It was a good thing.

I lol'd

quite honestly this is a major problem only for 400nl+, it was quite a nice rake reduction overall for 200nl-

Because everywhere else is to a greater or lesser degree shady and has terrible software which (for me) means that I play around 20% less hands per hour.

Better for some, worse for others.

Which is completely unnecessary considering they are still cash-grabbing more than enough to make it better for those that were going to be getting the major shaft without screwing over the others even more than they were going to be.

How do logical thinking poker players not get this?

Why not just leave things the way they were before? Much simpler and this whole thread would never have existed.

Ur write but at same time u have better RB and u will probably win more bb/100, dont it make the difference?

JH1, very nice post. Well presented.

There is one problem though. Unless they are completely incompetent, bordering on ******ed, they already know all of that and understood what we wanted very well. And I don't think they are incompetent. (I might be wrong though, Full Tilt was a billion dollar company as well but was run by ******s.)

They just don't care what we really want and decided to trick an occasional idiot into being happy with the changes, because they are smart, and because they can.

They found a smart way to get more profit. That's the bottom line. PR stunts about fairness and "lowering the rake" are just scummy, deceiving and devious attempts to blind the masses. All planned for ofcourse, they were expecting an outrage and had a plan for it, and they executed it perfectly. In the end they actually managed to throw out the lowering of the rake and make it look like they did us a favor. Pretty ****ing amazing. Then again, maybe they overestimated what they can get away with. We shall see.

It depends on how much these things offset one another and also how comfortable you are letting people like this hold significant amounts of your money.

The argument goes: The same number of VPPs are distributed, but more will go to loose, losing players. Such players have lower VIP levels, thus less FPPs (which are vpps x the level multiplier) will be distributed.

Same VPPs distributed, but less FPPs, and the FPPs themselves will be of less value.

Problem is other websites have 90s software...

I never understood why party or ipoker don't have very good user friendly software... can't be that expensive to make, maybe 1 million USD...

+1 **** those changes and stop

This is only a ripoff from jokerstars that has to pay $$ in taxes for the DOJ

Stars shouldn't ditch the whole thing. Just fix it IMO.

Cuz...im still in for a sit out if they don't give something back and only go with the WC money grab.

I am so so pissed with the newest suggestion + 1000. And I cannot even decide if I am more pissed off with Stars or with the idiot posters on here who did not understand how yesterday's rake changes would have benefitted them (with very few exceptions) and who posted complete non-sense about an alleged 50% rake increase. This could not be further away from the truth. I was defending Stars yesterday and was not going to join the protests, but now I am in.

LOL at Stars taking back the rake changes based on comments from people who have no idea what they talk about.

The proposed rake changes were probably going to lower the rake or keep it almost the same. Just like PS Steve pointed out people used/freaked out using incorrect and illogical numbers in this thread.

+1 to switch to WC

Yes you are. They did not correct the issue. They just increased the rake again. How the **** doesn't everyone see this?!?!?!?!

The issue was increased max cap by playing exactly 5 handed. So if you play 6max, let's say 20% of hands are 5 handed. Depending on stakes, only a certain (usually minor) percentage of that 20% is capped. In short, it was a minor issue for most people and certainly wasn't big enough to destroy the benefits of the overall rake decrease. However, it was something they silently tried to get away with, which was transparent to people who are paying attention so they rioted against another scam they tried to pull. Then Pokerstars used it as an excuse to return to higher rake again and turn EVEN MORE profit than with the changes that were announced first.

That's the real difference between stars and competence + the better support. Aniway there is a lot of people pro bumhunting in small sites and they dont win bad, software is a problem but I dont think that its so hard 2 avoid.

Ive been allways playing in stars but money is the 1st and if change means more winnings I will make it