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12-28-2011 , 11:50 AM

#26

robertlanglois

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,897

Good bye Stars!

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12-28-2011 , 11:53 AM

#27

yougotG0T

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 868

well, if i ever decide to come back to PS again it's gonna be buh-bye cash and hello SNGs/MTTs

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12-28-2011 , 11:53 AM

#28

sexyjesus

adept

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,112

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Originally Posted by Budhud

Nice way to **** your most loyal players

And just as FTP is about to re-enter market BRAVO STARS !

Sorry for the off-topic, but I keep reading this everywhere. Any link where I can follow up?

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12-28-2011 , 11:53 AM

#29

DiCanio

newbie

Join Date: Nov 2011 Posts: 47

<noooooooooooooooooooooooo

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12-28-2011 , 11:54 AM

#30

DonkDonkDonkDonk

Goose

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 40,114

Well I guess I won't be playing much next year.

I was planning in putting in 10x my usual volume next year but I'm not going to stand for a site that openly money grabs and has no consideration for the state of the games.

I stayed loyal at pokerstars because I thought they were different from all other poker sites, I guess I was wrong.

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12-28-2011 , 11:54 AM

#31

yougotG0T

adept

Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 868

been up for like 2 days straight so i just skimmed a lot of the post. can anyone give me a quick reason why this is so good for micros?

Last edited by yougotG0T; 12-28-2011 at 11:55 AM. Reason: and what stakes qualifiy as micros

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12-28-2011 , 11:56 AM

#32

KaneBaka

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Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 90

Seems (very)good at first glance. But I have to ask. Is this for real?
Fixed Limit $0,02/0,04 - Cap = $0.01?
Did I get it right?

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12-28-2011 , 11:58 AM

#33

m00sy

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 467

Super-happy about this and any player who plays poker as opposed to nit farming vpps should be too. This worked out well for me personally when FTP made these changes and will on Stars too.

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12-28-2011 , 11:58 AM

#34

robertlanglois

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Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 2,897

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Originally Posted by yougotG0T

been up for like 2 days straight so i just skimmed a lot of the post. can anyone give me a quick reason why this is so good for micros?

It isn't. It's already hard for the micros to get out of Bronze Star. With these changes, it will become impossible.

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12-28-2011 , 11:59 AM

#35

rugmuncher

old hand

Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 1,732

"Because the new method awards VPPs based on how much you individually contribute to raked ring game pots, the impact will be different for all players. Some players will earn more VPPs and some will earn less, but the total number of VPPs PokerStars awards per hand will not change."

SO it will be possible to earn up to 9vpp's per hand at full ring?
if you pay $1.50 in rake

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12-28-2011 , 11:59 AM

#36

anyace123

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 79

Pokerstars thought of a way to make up for the millions the US gov't took

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12-28-2011 , 12:00 PM

#37

sexyjesus

adept

Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,112

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Originally Posted by KaneBaka

Seems (very)good at first glance. But I have to ask. Is this for real?
Fixed Limit $0,02/0,04 - Cap = $0.01?
Did I get it right?

Yes. I don't play FL, but it's a good think for those guys there.

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12-28-2011 , 12:01 PM

#38

punter11235

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Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 8,210

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Super-happy about this and any player who plays poker as opposed to nit farming vpps should be too

Any player who plays micros, that for sure. 6max guys, especially in 1/2, 2/4cap, 1/2 standard and 1/2, 2/4plo were just royally screwed with double rake increase (WC is one, cap increase is second, it was 2$ with 5players which happened quite often, now it's 3$).
I mean, they could at least introduce 4max games :-)

But yeah, playable micros are important, those players were killed before and I am happy for them that the game will probably be playable now.

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12-28-2011 , 12:01 PM

#39

F### Forever

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Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 239

Never mind @ SNE.

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12-28-2011 , 12:03 PM

#40

RiverIsMyFriend

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 192

been playing at stars for 4 years and first-time SNE in 2011, this is what I'm gonna say about the change:

FU stars.

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12-28-2011 , 12:04 PM

#41

anyace123

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Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 79

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Originally Posted by KaneBaka

Seems (very)good at first glance. But I have to ask. Is this for real? Fixed Limit $0,02/0,04 - Cap = $0.01? Did I get it right?

If they kill every game it would be bad

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12-28-2011 , 12:04 PM

#42

Coeckie

journeyman

Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 217

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Originally Posted by badbeatLOL

Why is no word to be found about the discrepancy between VPP multiplier between SH and FR games? When will we SH and SNG players get our 6x VPPs????

THIS...

Why is it that FR players are awarded more VPP's for the same amounts in rake paid as SNG players?

6x multiplier please...

Very disappointing to see there's no positive changes to the VIP Program for SNG players whatsoever, especially considering all the terrible changes to SNG structures and rake that happened earlier in the year, and scrapping of multiple medium and high-buyin MTTSNGS...

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12-28-2011 , 12:06 PM

#43

Jkarioun

old hand

Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,338

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Originally Posted by punter11235

I mean, they could at least introduce 4max games :-)

I wish they introduced that since 4max is so much fun, but since it would be an exploit of their rake caps etc there is no way they introduce it now

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12-28-2011 , 12:07 PM

#44

meow_meow

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Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 3,166

if I'm not mistaken, the rake cap for 5-handed NL/PL games is currently $2. Now it's going to $3?

F'ed twice I guess.

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12-28-2011 , 12:08 PM

#45

DonkDonkDonkDonk

Goose

Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 40,114

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Originally Posted by m00sy

Super-happy about this and any player who plays poker as opposed to nit farming vpps should be too. This worked out well for me personally when FTP made these changes and will on Stars too.

So because I don't play >30vpip at FR I'm a nit farming vpps?

cos u know if I play anything less than that I'm losing money with the changes and all.

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12-28-2011 , 12:08 PM

#46

JonIrenicus

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Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 899

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Originally Posted by Coeckie

well they screwed the cash players too with WC so...at least SNGs are not affected by it

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12-28-2011 , 12:09 PM

#47

Mayox

YOUNG MOULAH BABY

Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 3,838

While each player is different, overall the weighted contributed method will reward players with lower VIP statuses more and players with higher VIP statuses less. In summary this change will make the distribution of VIP Club benefits more balanced, less top heavy toward Supernova+ VIPs.

JUST WHAT EVERYONE WANTED THANKS A LOT STEVE...

If pokerstars thinks the grinders are just gonna let this go then they are so wrong. If we've been screwed hard bring on mass sit outs

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12-28-2011 , 12:09 PM

#48

z1pz0r

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Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 37

nits gonna hate

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12-28-2011 , 12:09 PM

#49

ROM Amnesty

Pooh-Bah

Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,665

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Originally Posted by PokerStars Steve

Ring game players will be affected differently by this change depending on their play style. Some [VERY FEW] players will earn VPPs faster while others [THE VAST MAJORITY] will earn them more slowly. The total number of VPPs given out as a result of each hand is the same using the ‘weighted contributed’ and ‘dealt’ calculations BUT THIS IS DECEIVING AS IT ACTUALLY MAKES US, POKERSTARS, A LOT MORE MONEY.

While each player is different, overall the weighted contributed method will reward players with lower VIP statuses [A LITTLE BIT] more and players with higher VIP statuses [FAR, FAR] less. In summary this change will make the distribution of VIP Club benefits more balanced, less top heavy toward Supernova+ VIPs, AND A SHLTLOAD MORE CASH FOR POKERSTARS.

Steve, I fixed your post for you. I have removed the deceptive bias intended to fool the casual reader/player who wouldn't know any better.