i use poker tracker. theres a session summary -by table- and it shows hands played, time, hands hr, money won, etc listed by every table you sat at. should be really easy to estimate your ratholing tendancies looking at some of your session summaries. pretty sure hem has the same stuff

I am going to quote that to show everybody the amazing logic you use.
We speak poor english. OK. and what? I am going to speak about me, not the resto of "****ing short stackers".

This is not my mother language, but I try to speak, I try to improve, I try be better. I adapted to short stack to middle stack and now I will adapt to deep but, man, you don't play fairly.
Is much better for you ask everything in english and if you go abroad, you will speak english, too. And demand everything in your language. You don't want to adapt, you don't want to be better... you want that all things roll the way you want.
And thanks to a group of this phorum or whoever with your complainings, tears, weeps and crying you get what you was looking for.

Regards tou your dady, bro.

The irony is strong in this one.

Let's be honest here, you guys* don't want shortstackers gone because they are "bad for the games", rather because they hurt your winrates.

*nl100 fullring nits with seat scripts

I anticipated you would misinterpret my post, rather than remain composed and allow yourself to digest what I was saying.

It wasn't a criticism of anyone's foreign language skills, after all what relevance has that to this discussion? It's inclusion served a double purpose: First to show the ease at which it is to anticipate the reaction of the rat-holing community and the somewhat humouress predictive nature of their collective response. Secondly, and more importantly, to show that despite their [understandly] poor use of English, their use of logic- the relevant part of their message- is far less comprehensible than what is acceptable.

Part of the reason we want them gone is because they are bad for the game. However, even if they were a neutral effect on the game's health, I would still want them gone because they exploit a loophole which all but the poker theists understand. That's a perfectly justifiable stance to have. There's a difference between "they harm my winrate" and "they harm my winrate because they 'cheat'.

Anyway, like it said, it's been covered over and over and over. Just read the old threads.

Are there fulling NL100 players with seating scripts? I'm not aware of any, but would be interested in hearing you list screen names of who was.

You use a tracker software? Thats a "cheat" too. If you want a game fair lets start complaining to prohibit them. Hypocrite.

Btw, I think is fine that the deepstack players complain about this because a lot of them suck playing mss. They make a lot of stupid mistakes, and is funny because mss is a lot more easier than dss.

You would have my support in getting HUDs banned. There probably aren't many regs who are worse than me at bothering to use the stats they have on their opponents. At least they still allow for a level playing field. It's a poor comparison.

Any more silly questions (that have been asked and answered numerous times already) from new Russian 2+2 accounts?

There's people here who wants to discuss with education and respect. Go back to your cave, nobody cares about troll's opinions.

PD: Russians? lol I hope your readings at the tables are better than this...

You mean the posters with a 1 and 2 post count- are they the ones who want to have a discussion?

And when you say they want to have a discussion, do you mean about the topic that has already been discussed many times over to death in numerous other more relevant threads?

This thread isn't about the reasons for and against rat-holing. This thread is specifically about discussing the new Pokerstars Buy In Obligation. If you wish to talk about why you should be allowed to rat-hole 24/7 then post in a more suitable thread.

Man, I was using a metaphor to show you logic. I leave you this in your language:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Im not Russian, I had an account but I suppose its deleted, can't loggin.

Good that I have your support, but I dont see you calling cheaters to the players that use HUD.

The use of a HUD is probably worst for the fish ecosystem than the rathollers, and more unfair to people that chose not to use them.

Why do you think that PokerStars is doing this? Not to make the game fair thats for sure. Its to make more rake, bigger pots, more money to them. Simple as that.

The terminology I tend to use is "Russians and friends." This loosely translates to include Ukraine, Estonia, Belarus, as well as all other post-Soviet states, but also China and any other country with a significant portion of rat-holers. Sometimes though the term "Russian" may be used for convenience, as well as being quite entertaining for us to use "Russian" and "Rat-holer" synonymously. In truth, we (at least speaking for the SSFR regs) have no hatred towards Russians in general, and I think they're actually quite well liked. IMO, they have some very good players too.

^^ This is entirely the point.

The discussion about pro shortstacking ratholers has been had too many times on 2+2 already. This thread is not about that.

So the army of ratholers that automatically appear in these threads, shedding tears, and rhetorically wondering why other people are too bad to adapt to their angleshooting, are in the wrong place this time. That discussion is over. Take it up with stars.

Your metaphor was clear, but it simply highlighted that you misunderstood the focus of my post. As does your linking of a definition of Ad Hominem.

To clarify, I wasn't rejecting the argument on the basis of poor English, I was rejecting it on the basis of poor logic.

However now though your poor English IS acting as an impediment to the discussion that isn't worth having anyway even if this was the right place for it, which it isn't.

Exactly right, unofrtunately but you are correct. There is not even a clouded effect of respecting players anymore. It's not even hidden that the only agenda is to make as much money as possible, as quick as possible. That is the clear agenda. Wish it was not so

These reasons dont have any sense in Zoom games, what excuse are you going to invent to implement this changes there?

haha this thread is getting funny, gg and gl ratholers i will enjoying playing against you 70+bb deep, I feel some more 'Eskimo Fox' 's will be born

There are a lot of new accounts posting in this thread by the looks of things

I hope other sites follow suit.

You speak a very good english but you don't understand anything.

You say firstly that this is unfair, unfair for whom, tell us is it unfair for fishes or just for deep players. Besides you say "cheat".
Welcome to the hypocrite world by MeleaB
My poor logic? Tell us why in zoom is ok as well? In zoom the tables can't be broken and fish player jumps one to another.
Where is the poor logic when I told you deep player don't want to play vs "****ing short stackers".
You are in your own world. This is amazing.

I have used the metaphor to explain you that I, as short stacker, have to adapt to YOUR rules, because you are unable to adapt so you want to change. But it's ok, if you want a gold medal I give you for free.

I havent seen a single shortstacker from Estonia playing nl200 and higher. No information about lower stakes but I believe they are really rare.

Would like 1x1.

Right Click -> Go 'SexyAngeIine'

Go table Sputnik III Agree?

Yeah, you're right. Estonian players usually play full stacked and are generally pretty good players. Sorry Estonia.

Wp

Sooo much fear in this thread <3

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