Sure,fine and easy.
Wait,what if i want to try a semi-loose or really loose/maniacal style...errr,not with push/fold shorties at the table,you are FORCING us to play tight.
You know,its possible to win money in fullstack poker by playing non-standard poker.
Now,ask yourself,why isnt that possible for shorties?

Because the game is significantly less complex ,thus requiring much less skill, and it is only allowing 1 style if you want to make money or for most of you guys: to breakeven.
Because the edge semiloose and loose winning players get is almost exclusively POSTFLOP.Did you hear me?
POSTFLOP.

If you really think there is just one style, then I know why you can’t adapted v short stacks.
End it shows how much you think about short stacks strategy.

What is 20-30bb CAP? If you really think a stack size range is unfair, make all tables CAP 20bb 50bb 100bb.

then pick the 40-100bb tables to play on

why play on the 20-50bb tables if u want to try a maniacal style

truth is u suck and cry too much

u just mad cuz u lose $ vs shortstacks

which aint surprising cuz ur bad and just bum hunt everyday


fullstackers can play their game at 40-100bb games already, but reefy ur just so bad that u can't beat it.

it's not about stack advantages, pokerstars already fixed it. fullstacks just want the fish funneled to dem. greedy nits

boo hoo hoo, u can't win anymore

because recreational players already discovered that 40-100bb games aren't fun.

running into the nuts every showdown vs bum hunting nits isn't fun

having a good hand, raising it, and everyone folds isnt fun

getting a good hand and everyone folding to u in the BB isnt fun

getting isolated and 3betted every time they put $ in the pot isnt fun.

getting clearly outclassed isn't fun

need i say more?

meanwhile flipping with shortstacks is very fun and much like what they see on TV. and the edges are pretty close too, so they have a chance to win.

truth is that i was responding to your shortiefriend,who doesnt understand why fullstackers didnt want to play with shortstacks on the former 20-100 tables.

truth is u are the worst poster on this thread and now the first person on my ignore list.congrats.

I don't make the mistake of thinking the angle shoot is gone because I don't think it was accurate to call it an angle shoot in the first place. Hopefully we can disagree on that without one of us being labeled disingenuous.

Regardless, you're missing my point. In the old thread, it was specifically asserted over and over that the problem was the advantages gained by a 20bb stack playing a table full of 100bb stacks. How many times did we have to hear about how if everybody played 'optimally', the big stacks were at a disadvantage? Now sure, there may be advantages still to having 20bb's at a table full of 50bb stacks (although if there is a 20-50 table completely made up of 50bb stacks I've yet to see it). Just like there might be advantages to being the 35 or 40bb stack at a table full of 100bb stacks. Yet you advocate for the latter, while condemning the former as an angle shoot.

There are many voices in these threads and of course you're not responsible for the posts of other anti-SSers. But collectively, looking at it from the other side, it's hard to see how the distinctions are not ultimately arbitrary.

lol,ok ,i am no 6max expert i must admit.
But please show me 1 winning shortstack that plays like 22/20 or say 30/28,hell even say 18/17 on PS FR excluding nosebleed stakes,for which there are different rules.
I am sure u think a long the way: "ah,that guy is raising 2%percent more hands preflop than the average shortie,so he is playing a loose style!
Or: geez,this shortie guy is like restealing 20% of his hands from the BB...this guy is a MANIAC!
Yeah,thats obviously what i meant!!

I know a good short stack (still TAG style) who played 21/20 FR with a good winraten also on the nit 20-100bb tables. But let me ask if you know a wining shortstack with a style under 8/7 ,higher then NL200 with a sample size +100k hands?

Thats simply not possible on Full Ring.Not over a decent sample size.
Nickname?Stakes?How many years ago?Did he specialize in HU and left as soon the table was filling?
Btw,21/20 is semiloose in my book on Full Ring.

the times when playing fullstack with under(!) 8/7 on NL200+ could be a winning strat are over for years,if thats whats your question is all about.
I do renember the good old times though when like 10/7 was the generally accepted TAG style,hehe.

god damn I get tired of these SS'ing ******s saying this bull**** about adapting and whatever. Looking at a chart and shoving 20bb isn't poker.

There's a reason there's a flop, a turn and a river that are dealt individually.

Short tables are ****ing with the integrity of the game and full tilt got it sort of right, but a 50bb min would have been even better.

Why not? I've asked something similar in the thread before to no response (at least, not while I was following the thread). Why have wide ranging buy-ins at all? What's so bad about a fixed buy-in?

Only problem I see is those wanting to sit down at a table who have less than the buy-in in their entire deposited roll. I'd be inclined to ignore this problem altogether (nobody insists there should be tourney buy-ins available at every dollar amount, after all), but I suppose you could allow somebody in this situation to sit with less than the buy in, subject to a minimum.

What VIP level are you? Bronze
Have you noticed the changes? Yeah I tried playing the 50bb tables briefly but SS shoving takes the fun out of the game for me
Do you like the changes or do you prefer they way it was? I spend most of my play at Full Tilt because neither the old system or the new system works.
What have you been playing since the changes? 200nl RUSH at FT and the occasional tournament on stars
How many bb so you usually buy in for? 100
Would like to see only 40-100bb and 100-250bb tables? Yes
Would you like to see only 30-100bb tables? No
Would you like to see only 35-100bb tables? Yes
Would you play 20bb cap games (explains what they are)? No, but I think they should exist
List your order of preference?
I want the old tables 3
I like the new tables 4
I want 30-100bb tables only 2
I want only 40-100bb and 100-250bb tables 1

wat

What VIP level are you? Supernova Elite
Have you noticed the changes? Yeah
Do you like the changes or do you prefer they way it was? Way it was probably, don't care I will adapt
What have you been playing since the changes? I moved up limits
How many bb so you usually buy in for? 20
Would like to see only 40-100bb and 100-250bb tables? Um no
Would you like to see only 30-100bb tables? No, but don't care I will adapt
Would you like to see only 35-100bb tables? No, but don't care I will adapt
Would you play 20bb cap games (explains what they are)? No probably not, unless they were majorly popular
List your order of preference?
I want the old tables 1
I like the new tables 2
I want 30-100bb tables only 3
I want only 40-100bb and 100-250bb tables 4

we stopped ratholing, at least the ones I talk to

I would totally take 20-100 and 6 hour rathole time

well good for you and those you know that did, but amongst the horde of shortstacks i play everyday at mid stakes i can't think of one who has consistently done so and most are systematic ratholers

This thread is hilarious, the ratholer scum absolutely LOVE these changes and with good reason. They no longer have to play against solid fullstackers who have the intelligence to adjust AND they get most of the fish in their games. It must be raining money. Then again, they're probably still breaking even since that's the best their little cheat sheet can accomplish when it takes one click to play hand to the river.

well I have noticed the opposite. Waiting 1 hour is impossible at 200+ to shortstack at FR. And even at 6max it makes it very annoying.

I don't know any SS'er that loves these changes. I would go back in a heartbeat and so would all SS'ers. We don't care about you nitbotters. You didn't give us trouble then, you couldn't now. That's why you are all in here whining. There are a slim few that adjust, and they are the ones that aren't in here bitching.

The rest are BE or barely better to start. Keep crying, no one cares, stars obv doesn't. They tried to compromise and you guys are EVEN WORSE! It is hilarious.

Keep crying that Stars wont feed you fish at the levels you want. Assuming they would stay at the levels when you force them to buy in for 20bbs more (40bbs rather than 20bbs)

You guys are just lol.

If you're taking notes yourself, and looking them up yourself, that's OK.

If you're using a computer to takes the notes, record every player's move on every street, and present you with a grid showing 15 percentages, how are you any different than the "ss ratholing scum who just looks a chart"?

I like it

yep, my hud totally tells me the exact action I should do vs. this opponent with the exact holdings I have

you seriously have no idea
you should stop posting
you don't understand the basic strategic adjustments from the structure changes

if you had any doubt, you should look at what we are actually seeing in the actual games being played

**** the integrity of the game
if you were about the integrity of the game, you'd love 250+BB PLO with a Mississippi straddle

It's about giving the rec player what he wants

he doesn't want the fullstacking reg that steals wide, isos wide, and 3bets wide

20-50bb poker is just plain ******ed and it will be gone soon