Every time you stack a ratholer, an angel gets his wings.

I LOL @ the -1BB/100 over a million+ hands FPP pros. Die in a fire.

Amen, death to ratholers but table jumping is still going to be worse if the ratios stay where they are currently.
Maybe the PLO H/L games will start filling up now.

I don't understand how the filter now works.

Before the change, I simply filtered for 50bb min tables.

Now, PL and NL are showing up and if I don't have "other" checked under "buy-in" no tables show for me at all.

When I click "other" and "100BB to 250BB" I get both 50BB min tables and what appears to be shortstacking tables.

Is this a bug or am I doing something wrong? It's a pain to have to look at each table to see "50BB min" before I click on it.

Wow, I never thought about that angle shoot getting nixed.
Nice called by the table runner runner gutter Pokerstars.

MB, if you keep kissing stars ass, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, they will take you on as a redpro? that is what you're hoping for right?

and i bet you're a terrible shortstacker; and why you want to get on the panel so that you can ensure that there are the current stupid 20-50bb tables.

/thread

classy.

Yeah, there's something weird going on... it looks like they have introduced some of the new tables but not others, and the filters are kinda fux0red... hope this doesn't turn into a cluster****.

I have no idea why they don't just do a server restart, get rid of all the old tables, and bring all the new buyins online at once.

I expect that the fish will avoid the shortstack tables - fish don't like people shoving every 2nd orbit, they hate it when they don't get to see a flop, they hate folding their bet because a SS has shoved. I think most fish hate shortstackers even more than we do... at least we have some idea of how to exploit bad SSers.. my 2c anyway.

where are the new tables? Do you need a client update?

IDK I just did an update a few minutes ago. There are some 100-250 ante tables at 2/4, I didn't really look around too much since I'm not playing and the filters are being weird.

that has been there for a few day.

The Fish just love the full stack regulars who bust there azz post flop lol.

Yeah I see an ante table at 2-4, thanks. I'm waiting till they get things squared away before I update -- also don't want to have to reinstall all my mods if I don't have to.

how do you do an update? besides closing client and reopening and there being an update ready.

Um, I think that's pretty much the only way.

well you said you just did an update. I closed and reopened and there is no update.

IDK. You're not on the list?

The fish are there to have a good time and play poker. They think they are better than those full stack regs. I doubt they like playing 0-1 street poker with short dlcks.

CHOO ****ing CHOO

That's like someone just finding out they no longer have to pay federal income tax, and then you come along and tell them "Ha ha, sucks for you, you don't get a refund in February anymore! LOL" Ummm...they're OK with that, believe me.

This came up in a discussion about Full Tilt's bonuses being deducted from rakeback. The people were complaining that their rakeback was being reduced, not realizing that the bonus reduced their effective rake, so naturally the rakeback would be reduced.

A simpler way of putting my point; which is better?
---46% (FR 9-max VIP rakeback for supernova) back on $10 of rake, or
---46% back on $8 of rake

$10.00-$4.60=$5.40 effective rake
$8.00-$3.68=$4.32 effective rake

I arbitrarily chose $10 and $8 to account for the reduced rake you correctly claim those tables will pull (per Pokerstars No Flop No Drop policy). Breakeven shortstackers will more than make up for their no longer being able to be VPP parasites ("dealt rake" method with big stacks) because they will be paying less rake up front.

The lower you go below $10, the better a deal it will be for them.

To the argument that they will not be able to make supernova as easily because they aren't earning VPPs as fast: good point. However, I think this effect will not be as big as you say, and it still won't be that hard to make sure you hit supernova. I'd rather have Basic Supernova with less rake than Supernova 200k with more.

I agree with this, but can see the reason they used number of BB blinds, to avoid language translation confusions. Math is the universal language.

Which is why they all flocked to the 50-100BB tables previously of course..oh..wait...

Some may prefer deep stacked play (those that want to run huge bluffs etc) but those that don't feel comfortable full will look at buying in half stacked or even for the minimum.

A lot of them just want to 'get it on' and sit down at the first available table.

And many just click the default buy-in for the table they sit at.

The biggest issue for full stackers here is that shorties tend to pay more tables to start with and then rathole - creating more free seats than the full stackers.

So unless a casual player is positively looking for a 100BB buy-in experience they are more likely than you would otherwise expect to end up on a 20-50BB table.

Of course if the number of 20-50BB tables really is tiny in proportion to the 40-100BB ones this might not matter much but my suspicion is that there will be quite a lot of 20-50BB tables running - after all there are a lot of shorties at Stars; they play a lot of tables and aren't going anywhere else...

Edit - just had a quick look in the lobby at the SSNL tables - look like the 20-50BB tables are slightly in the majority at the moment...

This sounds about right.

Per a recent post of mine, the tables* have been 85% 20-100bb and 15% 50-100bb. The 40-100bb tables are the new 50bb-min, which have been about as popular as They aren't going to catch on because their fraternal twin, the 50-100bb tables, have not caught on.

*Tables with 8 or 9 players currently seated as measured by a bunch of print screens I did the other day.

Prediction

As for the 100bb-250bb with antes, these will be much less popular at the the 0.50/1 and 1/2 games than at the 0.10/0.25 ($62.50 BI) and 0.25/0.50 ($125 BI) games.

During peak hours at 1/2, the 20-50bb tables will be 75-80% of the 8/9-handed tables in play, the 40-100bb tables will be 10-15% of the 8/9-handed tables in play, and the 100-250bb tables will be 5-15% of the 8/9-handed tables in play.

P.S.: If anyone can confirm the minimum rebuy amounts on these three new table types (you get felted and want to rebuy for the minimum), I'd appreciate it.

this doesn't make any sense to me atm, maybe it's because it's 3am and I'm sleepy. Most b/e ss'ers make their $$ from fpp. Less fpp/hand = less money.
less tables + longer rat-hole wait = less hands. They leached vpp from fullstacks playing each other while they aren't in the hand, short tables will have less flops. therefore the analogy to the ft bonuses hitting mgr is way off.