PokerStars Announcement of Changes to NL/PL Cash Game Buy-ins - Page 2 - Internet Poker

no cap tables and still 20bb min me not likey the minimum buyin needed to be raised slightly at least boo hoo, aside from deep stacks this doesn't change that much seeing as how ridiculous 'normal' tables have gotten with the preponderance of shortstacks, and labeling all tables with what bb's u can play is awkward why not use simple terms like short, medium, deep?

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04-12-2010 , 12:58 PM

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WaterFall21

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ehhhh

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04-12-2010 , 12:59 PM

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Stally

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My guess is that this is going to make the problem worse. I can see fish flocking to the 20-50BB games, and these 40BB games will be like the 50BB games now. Hello ratholers heaven, 100BB poker has officially died today.

if the fish flock to the 20-50bb games, it's because they want to play them. you can't argue with that.

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04-12-2010 , 12:59 PM

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meeloche

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It wasn't really clear but how are the tables going to be labeled? By bb's?

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04-12-2010 , 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jason403

That would be their choice. The result of Full Tilt's changes would make me believe this is highly unlikely though.

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04-12-2010 , 01:03 PM

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if i see one fullstacker playing a ****ing 20-50bb table I'm going to lose it

these changes are meh, definitely an improvement but could be better if they realized it's more of an integrity of the game issue than anything else

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04-12-2010 , 01:04 PM

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Aillemkall

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I think the 30 min to 60 mins is being overlooked, that will slow down alot of ssers.

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04-12-2010 , 01:04 PM

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Post your preferred buy-in in big blinds, then post a grade from F to A+ on what you think of these new changes.

100bb

D+

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04-12-2010 , 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Aillemkall

I think the 30 min to 60 mins is being overlooked, that will slow down alot of ssers.

I really don't think so. They'll just have to learn how to play a few rounds of 2/3/4-handed and start new tables.

It is a good change though, especially for 3/6+

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04-12-2010 , 01:11 PM

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35st

Can't say I'm super ecstatic over the changes, but at least Pokerstars is making steps in the right direction towards catering to the ENTIRE player pool and allowing everyone to choose which games they will enjoy over a long term and not have to worry about such stack size differentials to alter game dynamics so dramatically like it's been for a couple years.

Compliments of RunyonAve:

Last edited by HBomb; 04-12-2010 at 01:39 PM.

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04-12-2010 , 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jason403

wat

you clowns are impossible to please

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100-250 bb, with default buy-in of 200bb and ante equal to 20% of the Big Blind

might be the biggest news of all, sick imo

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04-12-2010 , 01:13 PM

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Last edited by scoop05333; 04-12-2010 at 01:13 PM. Reason: obv i fail ldo

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04-12-2010 , 01:14 PM

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i do love the ante tables

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04-12-2010 , 01:15 PM

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Big Rob Jr.

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i didn't see a date of implementation. When does this go into effect?

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04-12-2010 , 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jason403

My guess is that this is going to make the problem worse. I can see fish flocking to the 20-50BB games, and these 40BB games will be like the 50BB games now. Hello ratholers heaven, 100BB poker has officially died today.

tis...

However I hope things prove me wrong...

20-50 is a massive Joke... From a business perspective it's probably close to perfect but from any other point of view just a massive Joke...

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04-12-2010 , 01:16 PM

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tuesday/ wendesday

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04-12-2010 , 01:16 PM

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If I log in on Wednesday and find 70% of the tables at midstakes FR are 20-50bb I'm going to grab a gun and shoot myself in the penis.

I'll just thank the gods i got RB at FT and make a withdrawal

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04-12-2010 , 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by *******

This change is kind of leaving it to the casual players to decide who wins this fight (shortstackers or people who actually play poker). The whole advantage shortstackers get against people who are good at poker, in how they benefit from fullstack vs fullstack decisions with their short stack, is probably gone...

But, which tables will the casual players gravitate toward? Honestly I think they're going to go for the 20-50bb tables purely because they can feel like the "big dog" at those tables for a smaller price, and they'll get the comfort of being able to play all-in pots without risking their entire stack.

As far as professional midstakes FR players go, my prediction is shortstacker winrates will improve across the board, and real poker players' winrates will fall, but will fall in such a way that the top 20% will win more and the bottom 80% will win less.

They basically did this at FTP and it just did not happen.
The games have been great for the full stacked players.

A number of the SS try to play with 35BB and its pretty LOL.

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04-12-2010 , 01:17 PM

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I really don't think so. They'll just have to learn how to play a few rounds of 2/3/4-handed and start new tables.

Not so easy for a chartbot, and one or two misplays would kill their profit for the day. The rathole timer change is very welcome IMO.

Otherwise, kudos to Stars for listening to logic and reason and ignoring nonsense.

I'm sure this is a scary time for many people, but the real pros will adjust.

If you can't 20-table hudbot any more, oh well. Personally I'm going to try/follow all the buyin levels, and go wherever the fish are.

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04-12-2010 , 01:18 PM

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They basically did this at FTP and it just did not happen.
The games have been great for the full stacked players.

A number of the SS try to play with 35BB and its pretty LOL.

FTP had 20bb minimum tables competing against 35bb minimum tables and the 35bb minimum tables won?

I thought they just went totally 35bb?

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04-12-2010 , 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by WaterFall21

tuesday/ wendesday

ty.

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04-12-2010 , 01:21 PM

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heyoooooooooooo ship it.
ty stars still the best

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04-12-2010 , 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NameOnTheCake

might be the biggest news of all, sick imo

Adding the 100-250BB games should be good for the games even if they're not popular.

Now the 40BB-100BB are the middle option instead of the situation currently where 50BB min was the higher, unusual option. In a vacuum, people are more likely to tend to select the option in the middle.

40-100BB minimum won't seem so high to people when they compare it to the new 100-250BB tables.