lol... there's always an edge vs the bad shortstackers, they don't shove enough, they check fold too much, they don't adjust the preflop ranges... seriously, I am winning more from the bad shortstackers than the regs.

The 20-50 bb will be a game where opening to 2bb will be standard from all positions from the regs, and the fish will come and open to 3-4bb and we will get most money from that.

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lol @ thinking the 70bb guy gives a sh*t what the stack sizes are around him. They want to play poker while being completely indifferent of the buy-in structure (so long as it's not too much). The changes are to specifically curb shortstackers leeching from a system where they A) accumulate VPP's through larger stacks battling it out and B) could constantly shove light ranges against fullstacked players and make money simply because the fullstacked player has to correctly fold in spots where his original raise was still +EV.

The changes will be a ton better than what it is now even if it's not ideal for some vocal group of anal retentive regs or the single few people in the world who long for the system to stay the same.

They made a decision to not ban SSers. So being that it's not going away they might as well help SSers spend more time playing and less time clicking.

again, 70BB guys are not ******s.
Poker players would really benefit if they thought about that.

lol forgot about the fast tables...feel sorry for fish that don't know you can filter this ****

There aren't going to be many fish playing at these tables. It will be 8 pro shorstackers and 1 fish. Full stack regs are not going to play on the short tables. The games will die off. Take a look at Full Tilt's lobby to see what will happen.

I like this. I doubt this level of analysis was done.
Furthermore, though, I think it would show a sizable proportion of players preferred the 20-100 game. It doesn't have to be a majority to show that game should exist.

I was all for all tables being labeled so that none is perceived as the default or normal.

Nice job PS, I like these changes given the circumstances.

People, it's very likely stars HAD to choose a middle option solely for their bottom line in the years to come as a gambling provider.

People like the gap in buy-ins, just as they like being short, two individual aspects and preferences.

This is why mt2r is upset, he happens to be in the group that likes the buy-in gap. On a personal note to him, you were basically shafted just as much as the shortstackers. They got their ratio halved and you did as well, there might be unknown mathematical implications that I'm not aware of but instinctively this feels fair?


My number one point:

PS is not out to please you. PS is not out to please anyone. They will do what they believe to be most profitable for poker in the LONG run.

Right now they have a huge player base of shortstackers, if they can preserve the game (needed for long term success), and leech the profits from SS'ing a bit longer, they are getting the best of both worlds. Going in one direction flat out would probably be hurting their total player base more than with this plan, and it doesn't really change anything long term (growth of poker wise).

Disclaimer: I am not at all entitled to make a post of this fashion. I really don't know much, so don't hate, just trying to look at this objectively. Barely any real debate is going on here, just statements never being met with arguments. C'mon people, we need to be working just as hard as ps to preserve the game, in whatever sense that means (profitability for pro's?). Personal preference should really be left out.

If the 20bb game dies I already have my 40bb strategy ready.

I'd like to see how you adapt to that. IMO 5bb/100 easily achieved

The shallow tables at 1/2 NL have been gaining popularity since they were introduced and they are much softer than the old tables.

bwahahahahahah

hahahahahaha

hilarious

u coach?

yeah I don't think I can handle your 40bb strat. If nothing else I hope these changes eventually see you working at McDonalds. Good day sir

Don't like this change.
20-35, 35-100 was to good not to be done imo...

There is currently 1 1/2 full ring short table active right now.

There are like 10 6 max short tables going. Meanwhile there are about 50 regular/deep 6 max tables going. Stars lobby will look about the same

I couldn't have said it better myself! Well done!

Thanks for your hard work Steve, look forward to these changes!

it'll take at least two for the shortstackers to let the 20/100 tables die

should have a sweepstake on which month the final one dies

methinks july

Actually this would be quite funny.

I can see some players buying in and sitting out to try to kill the table.

no talk about these deep tables? they are going to be very sick imo. obv probably reg vs reg in most 250bb spots but still a huge edge vs the bad regs.

I don't think the deep tables will get very much action.

Pokerstars always seem to deliver. Thank you so much.

Wait, before you said it was a good thing to restrict players like yourself from taking more money from the fish. That's why you didn't want to play deeper with the fish.

Contradict much?

Good changes imo. The changes aren't going to be optimal for any player but it's unreasonable to expect them to change the games in a way to placate one group of players and neglect everyone else.