So true.

The next 15 pages of comments will be everyone bitching they didnt get exactly what they want.

If you want a change of pace...Search for the Full Tilt thread announcing the changes to the buy in's. lots and lots if praise and very little complaining.

Somebody smart needs to analyze this.

Great job Stars on addressing issues from your entire user base. The 20-50 and 40-100 tables are perfect, a much better solution than a cap or a 20-35bb buy in. Along with the new increase from 30 to 60 minutes of rebuying on the same table for the minimum, Stars will definitely be a better place to play after these changes are introduced.

you guys still complaining are ridiculous

this is a great change and fair for both sides, it takes away the unfair edge of shortstacks to exploit the bigstacks without them being able to readjust unless they would have gone for a nonoptimal approach, the loophole is gone now and everything is just fine

The new systems allows everybody to play what they want, If people end up playing mostly 20-50bb tables then it is what the majority wants, period.
Nothing to complain about (im a fullstacker playing 50bb tables only)

I don't know if this has been addressed yet - BUT, default buy in and min buy in not the same. It will SHOW 80bb, the player than types in amount, or selects min or max.

Edit: seems its already been addressed, sorry for the repeat, but good to rehash.

hu is different to other games. only people this helps is stars because when a shortstack ****** doubles up, the good player can't reload to cover him so game goes on longer=more rake

no pluses for the actual players

Have to say I'm not exactly thrilled that they added special short HU tables and didn't add any deeper ones at all. Why couldn't we have at least had some 200bb deep HU tables like FTP has?

really don't understand why it's necessary to have 20-50 HU tables, couldn't you just make all 40-100 ?

Overlapping buyins seems kind of a bad idea, and I think deep games are bad for the longevity of the game so I'm not a fan of the 100+bb tables. Other than that though I think this is pretty good.

There is nothing more clear than labeling by buyin ranges

This is the 2nd or 3rd time I've seen this or something very similar in this thread. It's flat out wrong. Blind stealing is extremely profitable and important regardless of stacksize. Most shortstackers at 6max are stealing about as much as the average TAG player.

But of course the crybabies want the fish to have no option but to play with deep stacks and are pissed because some will play on the shallow tables.

Save the other bullet for me!!!!!! Seriously, seems well enough thought out, been a substantial lobby for a change along these lines, least we can do is give it a go imo. Should be some interesting threads from thursday onwards!

yes, I am aware of that, I meant default. Not sure if all the complete fish droolers know that though

IIRC there were a bunch of shortstackers who expressed their displeasure...

ummmmm why exactly has the dynamic changed for YOU more than everyone else? don't the shortstackers have to play vs 50BB stacks at the most? people who will not open so light? what are you complaining about, exactly?

lol@50bb poker

Stars has been extremely cautious in the past with allowing HU tables and deep tables out of fear that it will bust fish too quickly. Hell they don't even offer HU tables above 5/10(some exceptions recently tho) because of this. I highly doubt they'll combine the two and have deep HU tables.

What is the disaster? That not many people play them?? I think in general the 'fish' don't like playing any 'special' rules unless they're something like "fast" or "6max"...

This thread needs more optimism.

Ok guys put yourself in the head of a shortstacker. This is the news you've just gotten:

We're segregating you from the big stacks so there's no more shortstack-bigstack-bigstack advantage, no more leeching VPPs from bigstack postflop pots, and we're doubling the rathole timer.

Seriously how can you be happy as a shortstacker with this news? Literally all of their unfair bull**** advantages got nerfed.

The shallow tables on FTP are unpopular, they'll be unpopular on Stars too.

I'm gonna do a total 180 here and say these changes are awesome.

That has more to do with the fact that they are very short themselves and have developed some gay minraising blind-stealing strategy that probably shows .1 bb/100 EV except vs. anyone with the slightest clue how to handle it.

For normal-sized stacks, playing in position gets more profitable the deeper you get (especially when there are more streets of decisions you usually face) which means if your blind steal doesn't work you are still in good shape, so you can rationally open wider. Not sure how this isn't completely obvious, but whatever. Plus you conveniently ignored my other points.

I have to agree with you Lacky.

People should stop bitching now including myself. I can see people are very selfish in here. To be honest i was once selfish but im going to change my mentality for the good of the game.

It is what it is as long as the fish are happy so very true. Also the games are going to be more fair all across the board to all players and all types.

I wish the changes made were different, but there is a lot of thruth to what the two of you are saying.

I have a regular job besides poker and I play online because it is fun and it gives a little boost to my regular income. I watch vids on training sites when I have the time, have HEM installed and occasionally browse through a strategy thread. In some way, I am equally close to a 2+2 reg and to a fish that buys in for a random amount, limp/folds a few hands and goes busto with TPTK on a four flush board.

My problem with short-stacking is that it's so horrible for the one aspect of the game that gets overlooked by most people that post here - fun. And fish do love the fun, the stupid three barrel bluff, the 'I put him on AK' call down. Since I dislike playing with short-stackers, I choose to play only 6max 50bb min tables and HU.

I think it's a bad decision to overlap limits, and I think the nomenclature of the tables should be different. This should have been done better. I am looking forward to deep tables with antes because the 3-bet/4-bet dynamic of the 50BB tables has become pretty boring and tedious. I am afraid that it that they will soon enough become populated with players that are the best regs at their respective limits and that people will tire of playing them.

We will see.

20-35bb shallow
40-100bb regular
100-250bb deep

terrible changes, pretty much not going to do anything to fix shortstack problem. ftp here i come. oh anf the bitching will stop when u guys stop being idiots and just raise the min buyin to 30bb, is it really that hard.

Interesting changes...it seems like whenever a simple solution is available, Stars goes for the more complex/confusing option.

Stars did nothing to make me consider switching from Tilt.
Most my friends who play poker sporadically and are total fish are def. going to choose the 20-50bb buyin tables.

I'm really confused about hu.

Shortstacking really isn't an issue in heads up because of effective stacks sizes are ALWAYS known, so there is no advantage. Changing headsup max buyin to 20-50bbs leads me to think that the panel doesn't understand this. Also why lower the deep to 40bb heads up???